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Germany is right in the middle of the biggest and most stable grid on this planet. They don't have to build storage within a year because they don't have to sto

Germany is right in the middle of the biggest and most stable grid on this planet. They don't have to build storage within a year because they don't have to store all that stuff. They can take their time and continue to expand their national grid. Something they've been doing even during the last 16 years where the conservative government has been crippling the expansion of renewable energy.

DANK_YACHT 4y ago
Germany derives 25% of its energy consumption from natural gas. In order to remove this, they'll need to replace it with something. If they want to replace it with renewable energy, then they'll need storage. In no universe can they simply swap 25% of their energy consumption within a year without additional infrastructure.
- Krasnol 4y ago
  > Germany derives 25% of its power consumption from natural gas. It's been barely over 10% in 2021. -10% from the previous year. Please stop spreading lies anybody can google up in seconds: https://strom-report.de/download/strommix-2021-deutschland/ https://strom-report.de/download/strommix-2021-deutschland/ > If they want to replace it with renewable energy, then they'll need storage. They obviously don't because it took them one year to get rid of 10% of it already. Without any significant expansion of storage capacity or expansion of renewables btw because the previous Goverment was not in for that. This one is. I don't know where you get those arguments from but you should seriously reconsider those sources.
  - DANK_YACHT 4y ago
    This source says that natural gas was 25% of Germany's energy consumption: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... Your link only covers electricity generation, which is only a part of total energy consumption.
    - Krasnol 4y ago
      It covers electricity because this is the only sector where nuclear could be relevant. The other sectors like heating and industry use of gas can't be covered by nuclear since electrical heating is negligible in Germany. Didn't you look that up?
      - DANK_YACHT 4y ago
        You can use nuclear or stored renewables to power a heat pump, which could heat homes for most of the German winter. You’re saying heating is “negligible”, but the fact remains that 25% of all energy consumed in Germany comes from natural gas. There is nothing negligible about that. Also, it seems like you might not be aware, but natural gas has other uses besides heating and electricity. Natural gas is necessary to make hydrogen, which is a key component in making ammonia used for fertilizer. It has other industrial uses as well.
        Krasnol 4y ago
        > You can use nuclear or stored renewables to power a heat pump, which could heat homes for most of the German winter. To even supply something close to a significant amount of homes with heat pumps would take decades. In decades, Germany will be run on renewables completely. Gas or Russia have nothing to do on this level of discussion. > but the fact remains that 25% of all energy consumed in Germany comes from natural gas If you just stupidly ignore what I write and repeat the same invalid argument over and over again, it won't become valid. It is still that 10% which is relevant for the topic here and it can be done next year without having to run a single nuclear reactor a single day longer. This is what will actually happen.
simion314 4y ago
This makes no sense, the other countries will not build storage for Germany and also they will want to build renweables, you present a fake solution.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Building out renewables is the correct action right now. In the readily foreseeable future, building storage will be correct. In the meantime, building factories to build storage is beginning. All these things take time. Repeating that things still yet to be done have not already been done sheds no light.
- Krasnol 4y ago
  "The other countries" do that and they're happy to do it. We just recently got a significant boost from Nordlink. But you don't care about all that don't you? You just want to forcefully project your own attitude and hope that the other side is just as bad informed as you are because this is how that nuclear astro turf works...
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  Random dudes on Hackernews are pointing out the flaws im Germany's energy policy because with a few minutes of research they can see what experts through years of study and research cannot see...

DANK_YACHT 4y ago

Germany derives 25% of its energy consumption from natural gas. In order to remove this, they'll need to replace it with something. If they want to replace it with renewable energy, then they'll need storage. In no universe can they simply swap 25% of their energy consumption within a year without additional infrastructure.

Krasnol 4y ago
> Germany derives 25% of its power consumption from natural gas. It's been barely over 10% in 2021. -10% from the previous year. Please stop spreading lies anybody can google up in seconds: https://strom-report.de/download/strommix-2021-deutschland/ https://strom-report.de/download/strommix-2021-deutschland/ > If they want to replace it with renewable energy, then they'll need storage. They obviously don't because it took them one year to get rid of 10% of it already. Without any significant expansion of storage capacity or expansion of renewables btw because the previous Goverment was not in for that. This one is. I don't know where you get those arguments from but you should seriously reconsider those sources.
- DANK_YACHT 4y ago
  This source says that natural gas was 25% of Germany's energy consumption: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... Your link only covers electricity generation, which is only a part of total energy consumption.
  - Krasnol 4y ago
    It covers electricity because this is the only sector where nuclear could be relevant. The other sectors like heating and industry use of gas can't be covered by nuclear since electrical heating is negligible in Germany. Didn't you look that up?
    - DANK_YACHT 4y ago
      You can use nuclear or stored renewables to power a heat pump, which could heat homes for most of the German winter. You’re saying heating is “negligible”, but the fact remains that 25% of all energy consumed in Germany comes from natural gas. There is nothing negligible about that. Also, it seems like you might not be aware, but natural gas has other uses besides heating and electricity. Natural gas is necessary to make hydrogen, which is a key component in making ammonia used for fertilizer. It has other industrial uses as well.
      - Krasnol 4y ago
        > You can use nuclear or stored renewables to power a heat pump, which could heat homes for most of the German winter. To even supply something close to a significant amount of homes with heat pumps would take decades. In decades, Germany will be run on renewables completely. Gas or Russia have nothing to do on this level of discussion. > but the fact remains that 25% of all energy consumed in Germany comes from natural gas If you just stupidly ignore what I write and repeat the same invalid argument over and over again, it won't become valid. It is still that 10% which is relevant for the topic here and it can be done next year without having to run a single nuclear reactor a single day longer. This is what will actually happen.

simion314 4y ago

This makes no sense, the other countries will not build storage for Germany and also they will want to build renweables, you present a fake solution.

ncmncm 4y ago
Building out renewables is the correct action right now. In the readily foreseeable future, building storage will be correct. In the meantime, building factories to build storage is beginning. All these things take time. Repeating that things still yet to be done have not already been done sheds no light.
Krasnol 4y ago
"The other countries" do that and they're happy to do it. We just recently got a significant boost from Nordlink. But you don't care about all that don't you? You just want to forcefully project your own attitude and hope that the other side is just as bad informed as you are because this is how that nuclear astro turf works...
bayesian_horse 4y ago
Random dudes on Hackernews are pointing out the flaws im Germany's energy policy because with a few minutes of research they can see what experts through years of study and research cannot see...