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Anecdotally this is the first method I found to open the door when I got mine but it did take several seconds - time I would probably not like to spend if my ca

Anecdotally this is the first method I found to open the door when I got mine but it did take several seconds - time I would probably not like to spend if my car was on fire with me in it. Then the car made a noise and displayed a warning about damaging the windows or something if I kept doing that and to push the button instead so I've done that ever since. While I remembered the physical lever existed, I forgot where it actually was until this post so I would likely be spending that time to figure it out again and probably just panic and break the window like the person in the original article did.

tapoxi 4y ago
Seems unnecessarily confusing. Whats the advantage of the electric door?
- devonbleak 4y ago
  It orchestrates lowering the window slightly to avoid damaging the weather stripping or something according to the warning message.
  - jiveturkey 4y ago
    Nonsense! Coupes (cars where the window glass is "free" at the top, without a window frame) have, for ages, ticked the window down a bit when you open the door, and only when the door is completely closed does the window go up to the fully closed position. This is to facilitate opening and closing, not to protect the weatherstripping. In modern cars (last decade at least) the cabin is air tight enough that closing the door fast/hard enough to get both "halves" of the double latch secure meets air pressure resistance that makes this "hard". By lowering the window a smidge, the force required from inside to pull the door shut is reduced. This feature is fully achievable with the same sensor that detects whether the [mechanically controlled] door is open or not, and whether you are pulling on the interior latch. For sedans (cars where the window glass is fully framed in the door), the design of the weather stripping doesn't require this window behavior. You can probably visualize why that is. In a coupe, the window glass has to seal quite tightly against the roofline, with a very limited profile and no supporting structure. That may be the stated reason, but like retracting door handles, it's an aesthetic decision.
    - buffington 4y ago
      There's no rule that says a "coupe" has no window frame and a "sedan" does. I have a Subaru WRX STI which is officially a sedan, yet all four windows are frameless. They also don't roll down when opening or closing. They just work, and in the 20+ years I've owned Subarus with frameless windows, I've never had an issue with leakage, noise, nor have I had difficulties opening or closing the doors.
      - jiveturkey 4y ago
        Yes, I'm speaking broadly when I say coupes have no window frame. There's not a universal definition of what makes a coupe and what makes a sedan. Some say 2d vs 4d but that's not true either. It was useful for my response to classify coupes in that way. Your STI (great car BTW) is only "officially" a sedan by Subaru's nomenclature and marketing position of the car, not by some global standard or definition. Different cars have different air-tightness of the cabin, different interior volume, different door pull designs, and different door weights. It's these factors combined that dictate whether such window shenanigans are useful or not. Not just the inherent limitations of sealing the glass against the roofline. The major point of my response was that Tesla's claim (per the post, I didn't verify) that this is needed or useful to somehow improve the longevity of the weatherstripping, is nonsense. However, there are other valid reasons for this behavior.

tapoxi 4y ago

Seems unnecessarily confusing. Whats the advantage of the electric door?

devonbleak 4y ago
It orchestrates lowering the window slightly to avoid damaging the weather stripping or something according to the warning message.
- jiveturkey 4y ago
  Nonsense! Coupes (cars where the window glass is "free" at the top, without a window frame) have, for ages, ticked the window down a bit when you open the door, and only when the door is completely closed does the window go up to the fully closed position. This is to facilitate opening and closing, not to protect the weatherstripping. In modern cars (last decade at least) the cabin is air tight enough that closing the door fast/hard enough to get both "halves" of the double latch secure meets air pressure resistance that makes this "hard". By lowering the window a smidge, the force required from inside to pull the door shut is reduced. This feature is fully achievable with the same sensor that detects whether the [mechanically controlled] door is open or not, and whether you are pulling on the interior latch. For sedans (cars where the window glass is fully framed in the door), the design of the weather stripping doesn't require this window behavior. You can probably visualize why that is. In a coupe, the window glass has to seal quite tightly against the roofline, with a very limited profile and no supporting structure. That may be the stated reason, but like retracting door handles, it's an aesthetic decision.
  - buffington 4y ago
    There's no rule that says a "coupe" has no window frame and a "sedan" does. I have a Subaru WRX STI which is officially a sedan, yet all four windows are frameless. They also don't roll down when opening or closing. They just work, and in the 20+ years I've owned Subarus with frameless windows, I've never had an issue with leakage, noise, nor have I had difficulties opening or closing the doors.
    - jiveturkey 4y ago
      Yes, I'm speaking broadly when I say coupes have no window frame. There's not a universal definition of what makes a coupe and what makes a sedan. Some say 2d vs 4d but that's not true either. It was useful for my response to classify coupes in that way. Your STI (great car BTW) is only "officially" a sedan by Subaru's nomenclature and marketing position of the car, not by some global standard or definition. Different cars have different air-tightness of the cabin, different interior volume, different door pull designs, and different door weights. It's these factors combined that dictate whether such window shenanigans are useful or not. Not just the inherent limitations of sealing the glass against the roofline. The major point of my response was that Tesla's claim (per the post, I didn't verify) that this is needed or useful to somehow improve the longevity of the weatherstripping, is nonsense. However, there are other valid reasons for this behavior.