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Looks kind of hidden, just from the styling of it: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/smartselect_20191224-132903_adobe-acrobat-jpg.492495/ https://te

by cma 4y ago

Looks kind of hidden, just from the styling of it: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/smartselect_20191224-132903_adobe-acrobat-jpg.492495/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/smartselect_2019...

devonbleak 4y ago
Anecdotally this is the first method I found to open the door when I got mine but it did take several seconds - time I would probably not like to spend if my car was on fire with me in it. Then the car made a noise and displayed a warning about damaging the windows or something if I kept doing that and to push the button instead so I've done that ever since. While I remembered the physical lever existed, I forgot where it actually was until this post so I would likely be spending that time to figure it out again and probably just panic and break the window like the person in the original article did.
- tapoxi 4y ago
  Seems unnecessarily confusing. Whats the advantage of the electric door?
  - devonbleak 4y ago
    It orchestrates lowering the window slightly to avoid damaging the weather stripping or something according to the warning message.
    - jiveturkey 4y ago
      Nonsense! Coupes (cars where the window glass is "free" at the top, without a window frame) have, for ages, ticked the window down a bit when you open the door, and only when the door is completely closed does the window go up to the fully closed position. This is to facilitate opening and closing, not to protect the weatherstripping. In modern cars (last decade at least) the cabin is air tight enough that closing the door fast/hard enough to get both "halves" of the double latch secure meets air pressure resistance that makes this "hard". By lowering the window a smidge, the force required from inside to pull the door shut is reduced. This feature is fully achievable with the same sensor that detects whether the [mechanically controlled] door is open or not, and whether you are pulling on the interior latch. For sedans (cars where the window glass is fully framed in the door), the design of the weather stripping doesn't require this window behavior. You can probably visualize why that is. In a coupe, the window glass has to seal quite tightly against the roofline, with a very limited profile and no supporting structure. That may be the stated reason, but like retracting door handles, it's an aesthetic decision.
      - buffington 4y ago
        There's no rule that says a "coupe" has no window frame and a "sedan" does. I have a Subaru WRX STI which is officially a sedan, yet all four windows are frameless. They also don't roll down when opening or closing. They just work, and in the 20+ years I've owned Subarus with frameless windows, I've never had an issue with leakage, noise, nor have I had difficulties opening or closing the doors.
        jiveturkey 4y ago
        Yes, I'm speaking broadly when I say coupes have no window frame. There's not a universal definition of what makes a coupe and what makes a sedan. Some say 2d vs 4d but that's not true either. It was useful for my response to classify coupes in that way. Your STI (great car BTW) is only "officially" a sedan by Subaru's nomenclature and marketing position of the car, not by some global standard or definition. Different cars have different air-tightness of the cabin, different interior volume, different door pull designs, and different door weights. It's these factors combined that dictate whether such window shenanigans are useful or not. Not just the inherent limitations of sealing the glass against the roofline. The major point of my response was that Tesla's claim (per the post, I didn't verify) that this is needed or useful to somehow improve the longevity of the weatherstripping, is nonsense. However, there are other valid reasons for this behavior.
herpderperator 4y ago
"Only front doors are equippped with a manual door release"... whose stupid idea was this? Would it have been so hard to add this literal life-saving feature to the back doors?
- josephcsible 4y ago
  How does this make cars any less safe in any way that car door child safety locks don't also do?
  - buffington 4y ago
    I can open an unlocked door with a child safety lock engaged from the outside of the car.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      The key word there is "unlocked". I can't think of any cars that have keyholes on the back doors, and if the power door locks were working then you wouldn't need an emergency release.
- buffington 4y ago
  No kidding. So if my car is on fire, I can get out using the manual release, but my kids have to kick their way free? Or climb out the front? Or wait for me to break the window from the outside somehow? How is this even legal?
- avgDev 4y ago
  I've had no idea.....how is this even allowed? It's even the law to have a manual lever in the trunk of a sedan.
  - moistly 4y ago
    One can not expect The Musk to follow mere laws. He has demonstrated that time and again.
encoderer 4y ago
I like what Tesla is doing but got suckered into test driving a Mercedes 13 years ago and it’s all I’ve bought since. That said.. This really looks like a corolla. I’ve heard the critique before of the interiors but wow. Beyond that, they have to roll the windows down every time you open the door to prevent damage to the seals? That seems insane? I’d get used to it but I’m surprised this isn’t pointed out more often as kind of absurd engineering.
- bgee 4y ago
  > Beyond that, they have to roll the windows down every time you open the door to prevent damage to the seals? Not sure I understand your concern here, but isn't is how every frame-less car door works? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NM-dunSOLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NM-dunSOLw
  - encoderer 4y ago
    I realize I replied to the wrong comment, the one above it discussed the windows. So it’s a form over function trade off. CLS is a low volume model. Looks absurd to me in a model 3 “mass market car” alongside 2 door handles, a classic one and a cool button press one.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    >but isn't is how every frame-less car door works? It isn't. My 2004 toyota solara had frameless windows and didn't play any shenanigans with it, and as others in this rough thread have pointed out, subaru doesn't either. I don't know where you got this idea but you've managed to ingore two very popular brands at minimum so maybe you should reconsider some things
    - bgee 4y ago
      I see, not every frame-less door has this mechanism. In the case of Toyota Solara, how does the glass fit with the seal on the A-pillar and roof? The roll-down mechanism is required because the glass on those doors have to be "inserted" into the seal.

by cma 4y ago

devonbleak 4y ago

Anecdotally this is the first method I found to open the door when I got mine but it did take several seconds - time I would probably not like to spend if my car was on fire with me in it. Then the car made a noise and displayed a warning about damaging the windows or something if I kept doing that and to push the button instead so I've done that ever since. While I remembered the physical lever existed, I forgot where it actually was until this post so I would likely be spending that time to figure it out again and probably just panic and break the window like the person in the original article did.

tapoxi 4y ago
Seems unnecessarily confusing. Whats the advantage of the electric door?
- devonbleak 4y ago
  It orchestrates lowering the window slightly to avoid damaging the weather stripping or something according to the warning message.
  - jiveturkey 4y ago
    Nonsense! Coupes (cars where the window glass is "free" at the top, without a window frame) have, for ages, ticked the window down a bit when you open the door, and only when the door is completely closed does the window go up to the fully closed position. This is to facilitate opening and closing, not to protect the weatherstripping. In modern cars (last decade at least) the cabin is air tight enough that closing the door fast/hard enough to get both "halves" of the double latch secure meets air pressure resistance that makes this "hard". By lowering the window a smidge, the force required from inside to pull the door shut is reduced. This feature is fully achievable with the same sensor that detects whether the [mechanically controlled] door is open or not, and whether you are pulling on the interior latch. For sedans (cars where the window glass is fully framed in the door), the design of the weather stripping doesn't require this window behavior. You can probably visualize why that is. In a coupe, the window glass has to seal quite tightly against the roofline, with a very limited profile and no supporting structure. That may be the stated reason, but like retracting door handles, it's an aesthetic decision.
    - buffington 4y ago
      There's no rule that says a "coupe" has no window frame and a "sedan" does. I have a Subaru WRX STI which is officially a sedan, yet all four windows are frameless. They also don't roll down when opening or closing. They just work, and in the 20+ years I've owned Subarus with frameless windows, I've never had an issue with leakage, noise, nor have I had difficulties opening or closing the doors.
      - jiveturkey 4y ago
        Yes, I'm speaking broadly when I say coupes have no window frame. There's not a universal definition of what makes a coupe and what makes a sedan. Some say 2d vs 4d but that's not true either. It was useful for my response to classify coupes in that way. Your STI (great car BTW) is only "officially" a sedan by Subaru's nomenclature and marketing position of the car, not by some global standard or definition. Different cars have different air-tightness of the cabin, different interior volume, different door pull designs, and different door weights. It's these factors combined that dictate whether such window shenanigans are useful or not. Not just the inherent limitations of sealing the glass against the roofline. The major point of my response was that Tesla's claim (per the post, I didn't verify) that this is needed or useful to somehow improve the longevity of the weatherstripping, is nonsense. However, there are other valid reasons for this behavior.

herpderperator 4y ago

"Only front doors are equippped with a manual door release"... whose stupid idea was this? Would it have been so hard to add this literal life-saving feature to the back doors?

josephcsible 4y ago
How does this make cars any less safe in any way that car door child safety locks don't also do?
- buffington 4y ago
  I can open an unlocked door with a child safety lock engaged from the outside of the car.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    The key word there is "unlocked". I can't think of any cars that have keyholes on the back doors, and if the power door locks were working then you wouldn't need an emergency release.
buffington 4y ago
No kidding. So if my car is on fire, I can get out using the manual release, but my kids have to kick their way free? Or climb out the front? Or wait for me to break the window from the outside somehow? How is this even legal?
avgDev 4y ago
I've had no idea.....how is this even allowed? It's even the law to have a manual lever in the trunk of a sedan.
- moistly 4y ago
  One can not expect The Musk to follow mere laws. He has demonstrated that time and again.

encoderer 4y ago

I like what Tesla is doing but got suckered into test driving a Mercedes 13 years ago and it’s all I’ve bought since. That said.. This really looks like a corolla. I’ve heard the critique before of the interiors but wow. Beyond that, they have to roll the windows down every time you open the door to prevent damage to the seals? That seems insane? I’d get used to it but I’m surprised this isn’t pointed out more often as kind of absurd engineering.

bgee 4y ago
> Beyond that, they have to roll the windows down every time you open the door to prevent damage to the seals? Not sure I understand your concern here, but isn't is how every frame-less car door works? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NM-dunSOLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NM-dunSOLw
- encoderer 4y ago
  I realize I replied to the wrong comment, the one above it discussed the windows. So it’s a form over function trade off. CLS is a low volume model. Looks absurd to me in a model 3 “mass market car” alongside 2 door handles, a classic one and a cool button press one.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  >but isn't is how every frame-less car door works? It isn't. My 2004 toyota solara had frameless windows and didn't play any shenanigans with it, and as others in this rough thread have pointed out, subaru doesn't either. I don't know where you got this idea but you've managed to ingore two very popular brands at minimum so maybe you should reconsider some things
  - bgee 4y ago
    I see, not every frame-less door has this mechanism. In the case of Toyota Solara, how does the glass fit with the seal on the A-pillar and roof? The roll-down mechanism is required because the glass on those doors have to be "inserted" into the seal.