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Home schooling is quantifiably far superior to public schooling, pretty much independent of socioeconomic status[1]. As one would expect, the education level

by User23 4y ago

Home schooling is quantifiably far superior to public schooling, pretty much independent of socioeconomic status[1]. As one would expect, the education level of parents did affect the results. For example, home-school students of parents without college degrees scored, on average, at the 83rd percentile for the core subjects. When one parent had a college degree, those students scored at the 86th percentile, and when both parents had a college degree, those students scored at the 90th percentile. There was virtually no difference, however, between the scores of students whose parents were certified teachers and those who were not. It amuses me that apparently certified teachers are no better at teaching than any other concerned parent. In fact, a concerned parent will wildly outperform a school teacher. This ought to be unsurprising to anyone who is aware of the mind-boggling two standard deviation improvement tutoring provides. A home-school is essentially a tutoring arrangement. [1] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/30/home-schooling-outstanding-results-national-tests/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/30/home-school...

lapcat 4y ago
> In fact, a concerned parent will wildly outperform a school teacher. A parent teaches maybe 2 students per day. A school teacher teaches maybe 200 students per day. It's an unfair comparison.
- pjkundert 4y ago
  I'm struggling to find the purpose of this reply. Do you believe that saying "no fair!" invalidates the superior outcomes for home-schooled children? If billions of dollars of state funding and the teachers' aggregate decades of university education can't overcome this obstacle (which did not seem to be a problem when children in one-room schoolhouses routinely used to learn Latin), I'm wondering what other advantages anti-home-schooler central planners need, in order to force their sub-par solution on parents? I know I'm being ... obtuse. But, seriously -- if it takes 1 or 2 hours a day to "keep up" with the standard curriculum in grade school, and "schooled" students are sent home with 1 or 2 hours of homework, after they attend "school" all day -- what is the purpose of sending kids to these institutions? :)
  - beej71 4y ago
    > I'm struggling to find the purpose of this reply. Not the OP, but I think the pushback is against the implication that instructor training means nothing in the context of a large classroom. It's unclear if this was an assertion you were making.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > I'm wondering what other advantages anti-home-schooler central planners need, in order to force their sub-par solution on parents? I'm not anti home schooling. Is home schooling illegal in some places? If it is, I wasn't aware of that. Otherwise, I don't see how there's any forcing of parents. I'm not trying to invalidate the outcomes of home schooling. I'm merely suggesting that teacher training is useful and probably necessary if you have to teach a larger number of students and not just your own few kids.
  - boppo1 4y ago
    Daycare
  - guidoism 4y ago
    > if it takes 1 or 2 hours a day to "keep up" with the standard curriculum in grade school, and "schooled" students are sent home with 1 or 2 hours of homework, after they attend "school" all day -- what is the purpose of sending kids to these institutions? OMG OMG OMG this! It’s amazing how little time it takes to keep up with school. It’s so completely clear once you clear the fog that school is mostly just day care so both parents can have a job outside of the house and increase the output of the economy.
giantg2 4y ago
I'd image those same parents would score similarly to the public school teachers if they had to comply with all the policies the schools set. Many teachers have quit because the schools don't let them teach effectively.

by User23 4y ago

lapcat 4y ago

> In fact, a concerned parent will wildly outperform a school teacher. A parent teaches maybe 2 students per day. A school teacher teaches maybe 200 students per day. It's an unfair comparison.

pjkundert 4y ago
I'm struggling to find the purpose of this reply. Do you believe that saying "no fair!" invalidates the superior outcomes for home-schooled children? If billions of dollars of state funding and the teachers' aggregate decades of university education can't overcome this obstacle (which did not seem to be a problem when children in one-room schoolhouses routinely used to learn Latin), I'm wondering what other advantages anti-home-schooler central planners need, in order to force their sub-par solution on parents? I know I'm being ... obtuse. But, seriously -- if it takes 1 or 2 hours a day to "keep up" with the standard curriculum in grade school, and "schooled" students are sent home with 1 or 2 hours of homework, after they attend "school" all day -- what is the purpose of sending kids to these institutions? :)
- beej71 4y ago
  > I'm struggling to find the purpose of this reply. Not the OP, but I think the pushback is against the implication that instructor training means nothing in the context of a large classroom. It's unclear if this was an assertion you were making.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > I'm wondering what other advantages anti-home-schooler central planners need, in order to force their sub-par solution on parents? I'm not anti home schooling. Is home schooling illegal in some places? If it is, I wasn't aware of that. Otherwise, I don't see how there's any forcing of parents. I'm not trying to invalidate the outcomes of home schooling. I'm merely suggesting that teacher training is useful and probably necessary if you have to teach a larger number of students and not just your own few kids.
- boppo1 4y ago
  Daycare
- guidoism 4y ago
  > if it takes 1 or 2 hours a day to "keep up" with the standard curriculum in grade school, and "schooled" students are sent home with 1 or 2 hours of homework, after they attend "school" all day -- what is the purpose of sending kids to these institutions? OMG OMG OMG this! It’s amazing how little time it takes to keep up with school. It’s so completely clear once you clear the fog that school is mostly just day care so both parents can have a job outside of the house and increase the output of the economy.

giantg2 4y ago

I'd image those same parents would score similarly to the public school teachers if they had to comply with all the policies the schools set. Many teachers have quit because the schools don't let them teach effectively.