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Typical ifanboi response: 1) Completely ignore post being replied to 2) Diatribe of rubbish about how apple invented everything 3) Oh, i'm not a fanboi btw lulz

Typical ifanboi response: 1) Completely ignore post being replied to 2) Diatribe of rubbish about how apple invented everything 3) Oh, i'm not a fanboi btw lulz Honestly, you seem to be selecting the worst examples of dumbphone design and then saying, "Look how great the iphone is cos it isn't the worst at this particular feature". If you're going to criticize people about reinventing history, at least learn some yourself. This list of "Stuff that mattmanser didn't know about Smartphones before the iPhone came along" is almost trollish. Both Palm and WinMo had most of the features you seem to think first materialized on the iphone: Rows of Apps ie "Home Screen" (WinMo even had widgets, etc), web browsers, contacts, emails, texting, media players, cameras, third party apps, syncing, on screen keyboards, notifications, etc, etc, etc. If anything apple BLATANTLY copied WinMo, but made it look nicer.

glenra 15y ago
Both Palm and Windows Mobile/Windows CE/PocketPC came out well after the Apple Newton, which already had all those features you list. Okay, maybe not "cameras" so much. But everything else. Not to mention a vibrant third-party developer community generating apps for it. > If anything apple BLATANTLY copied WinMo, but made it look nicer Now that is funny! If anything, WinMo could have been held up as a model of what not to do. I mean, even Microsoft has entirely abandoned it, which ought to tell you something...
- weaselspice 15y ago
  So you agree with me then? The iPhone was far from the first smartphone to have these features. Thank you. Not sure you could throw the Newton series into the smartphone category though :S Apple got a lot of inspiration from existing platforms, who in turn got inspiration from other platforms. I was amazed when I first held Palm and WinMo devices, they were the dawning of an era for me. But I don't go writing completely uninformed posts all over the interwebs about it. These articles about Steve Jobs' rant against android makes him look like a complete fool and a hypocrite. Why was it a model of what not to do? So much of what I see in todays' android/iphone/WP7 features remind me of the power of WinMo of yesteryear. WinMo was a superb system, and seeing that it went barely unchanged for nearly a decade proves this. This was simultaneously it's biggest downfall and Microsoft left it to late to update and they got left behind. What does microsoft abandoning WinMo tell me? That they're just like every other company and drop support for legacy systems to produce newer, better platforms. Thanks, but I already knew that. Bit hypocritcal of you though, considering your beloved apple did the same thing with Newton...

glenra 15y ago

Both Palm and Windows Mobile/Windows CE/PocketPC came out well after the Apple Newton, which already had all those features you list. Okay, maybe not "cameras" so much. But everything else. Not to mention a vibrant third-party developer community generating apps for it. > If anything apple BLATANTLY copied WinMo, but made it look nicer Now that is funny! If anything, WinMo could have been held up as a model of what not to do. I mean, even Microsoft has entirely abandoned it, which ought to tell you something...

weaselspice 15y ago
So you agree with me then? The iPhone was far from the first smartphone to have these features. Thank you. Not sure you could throw the Newton series into the smartphone category though :S Apple got a lot of inspiration from existing platforms, who in turn got inspiration from other platforms. I was amazed when I first held Palm and WinMo devices, they were the dawning of an era for me. But I don't go writing completely uninformed posts all over the interwebs about it. These articles about Steve Jobs' rant against android makes him look like a complete fool and a hypocrite. Why was it a model of what not to do? So much of what I see in todays' android/iphone/WP7 features remind me of the power of WinMo of yesteryear. WinMo was a superb system, and seeing that it went barely unchanged for nearly a decade proves this. This was simultaneously it's biggest downfall and Microsoft left it to late to update and they got left behind. What does microsoft abandoning WinMo tell me? That they're just like every other company and drop support for legacy systems to produce newer, better platforms. Thanks, but I already knew that. Bit hypocritcal of you though, considering your beloved apple did the same thing with Newton...