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Prince of Persia is what I can think of that has (sometimes huge) wind up animations for jumping. And it feels ok once you get used to it, but really feels very

by uxp100 4y ago

Prince of Persia is what I can think of that has (sometimes huge) wind up animations for jumping. And it feels ok once you get used to it, but really feels very different than any other platformer. But there is more than just a big animation there, I think the jumps are also quantized to a grid in some way, such that a range of button press timings will all result in the same on screen behavior.

oneoff786 4y ago
Yeah it’s the first type listed in the article. Prince of Persia has your location tracked discretely by fairly large tiles. The animation may suggest otherwise but your location isn’t actually smoothly tracked at all.
- uxp100 4y ago
  Ah right, with some particularly large tiles.
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  See the first Tomb Raider also for a 3D version of this. She only ever moves by full tiles. Makes it quite cool once you get used to the grid as you can reason logically about certain jumps etc.
  - gzalo 4y ago
    Even the DOS version allows smooth continuous motion: https://youtu.be/EC_8ljpgySM?t=914 https://youtu.be/EC_8ljpgySM?t=914 Are you talking about the map elements is composed of elements aligned to a grid? It's likely that was done on purpose to simplify computing collisions
    - AlecSchueler 4y ago
      I'm not seeing the smooth continuous motion you're talking about in that video. Every motion leads to hear being placed onto a specific tile, she can never be between tiles. You can see the developer talking about the design in this video, as well as additional comparisons from the narrator on the PoP influence: https://youtu.be/eeMFdrIrdZY?t=2040 https://youtu.be/eeMFdrIrdZY?t=2040 Prince of Persia was one of the main influences in the game's mechanics and the grid system is an intentional emulation of the grid system from the earlier game. The animations are smooth but they are always tied to the grid.
      - gzalo 4y ago
        The climbing and jumping animations are tied to the grid. But not the walking ones. This is not what happens in other games like Prince of Persia or Oddworld. I agree that she is only in one tile at a time (her position is defined one position in the middle of both feet) But she doesn't just move by full tiles. You can perform step that are fractions of tiles, and combining that with the rotation angles (which are continuous), that must mean that you can be in any place of a specific tile (I.e, each square of the grid has infinite positions). Just tested it in TR1 demo, by rotating and walking backwards slowly, you can go to any place of the grid, and even have some feet in the air. See for example: https://imgur.com/a/0YLbV6C https://imgur.com/a/0YLbV6C
teddyh 4y ago
Both the movement and control scheme of Prince of Persia was copied exactly by a little-known 3D platformer called… Tomb Raider. It’s too bad that not many modern games follow these movement and control schemes, and odd too, since both games were hugely successful. Even Assassin’s Creed was originally envisioned as a Prince of Persia game, IIRC.
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by uxp100 4y ago

oneoff786 4y ago

Yeah it’s the first type listed in the article. Prince of Persia has your location tracked discretely by fairly large tiles. The animation may suggest otherwise but your location isn’t actually smoothly tracked at all.

uxp100 4y ago
Ah right, with some particularly large tiles.
AlecSchueler 4y ago
See the first Tomb Raider also for a 3D version of this. She only ever moves by full tiles. Makes it quite cool once you get used to the grid as you can reason logically about certain jumps etc.
- gzalo 4y ago
  Even the DOS version allows smooth continuous motion: https://youtu.be/EC_8ljpgySM?t=914 https://youtu.be/EC_8ljpgySM?t=914 Are you talking about the map elements is composed of elements aligned to a grid? It's likely that was done on purpose to simplify computing collisions
  - AlecSchueler 4y ago
    I'm not seeing the smooth continuous motion you're talking about in that video. Every motion leads to hear being placed onto a specific tile, she can never be between tiles. You can see the developer talking about the design in this video, as well as additional comparisons from the narrator on the PoP influence: https://youtu.be/eeMFdrIrdZY?t=2040 https://youtu.be/eeMFdrIrdZY?t=2040 Prince of Persia was one of the main influences in the game's mechanics and the grid system is an intentional emulation of the grid system from the earlier game. The animations are smooth but they are always tied to the grid.
    - gzalo 4y ago
      The climbing and jumping animations are tied to the grid. But not the walking ones. This is not what happens in other games like Prince of Persia or Oddworld. I agree that she is only in one tile at a time (her position is defined one position in the middle of both feet) But she doesn't just move by full tiles. You can perform step that are fractions of tiles, and combining that with the rotation angles (which are continuous), that must mean that you can be in any place of a specific tile (I.e, each square of the grid has infinite positions). Just tested it in TR1 demo, by rotating and walking backwards slowly, you can go to any place of the grid, and even have some feet in the air. See for example: https://imgur.com/a/0YLbV6C https://imgur.com/a/0YLbV6C

teddyh 4y ago

Both the movement and control scheme of Prince of Persia was copied exactly by a little-known 3D platformer called… Tomb Raider. It’s too bad that not many modern games follow these movement and control schemes, and odd too, since both games were hugely successful. Even Assassin’s Creed was originally envisioned as a Prince of Persia game, IIRC.

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