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You haven't weighed the consequences enough: I can afford a modern home, I built one, well insulated, with a proper VMC+heat-pump, p.v. since here is a good eno

by kkfx 4y ago

You haven't weighed the consequences enough: I can afford a modern home, I built one, well insulated, with a proper VMC+heat-pump, p.v. since here is a good enough option, all-electric for cooking and heating etc so yes, I can consume without produce extra pollution and potentially publish that like that very text here. Is exactly USELESS for the humanity because those who can afford are a small percentage of all humans, and such cohort below a certain age is mostly interesting in doing so or have already done that in the recent past while an older fraction is simply not interested due to their life expectancy. MOST other humans can't, wanting or not. That means you suggest to push more and more people to poverty, generating unrest, repressions, dictatorships "to keep the society up", witch end up like in the first part of the '900 in nazi-fascist regimes the same polluter and criminals against humanity who fund them in the past fund the same move now. A very simple example: WFH means I can work on a desktop. A desktop means a computer that can last 10+ years in relative comfort for 99% of jobs and be destined to such jobs when not enough anymore for more demanding activities like a new desktop for a child out of the parent now-dismissed "workstation-desktop". If I have a less wealthy life probably I can't use a desktop, I might get just a craptop able to last two years maximum from some company. An EV for me might be nice: not using it every days I can mostly recharge from solar so it might be cheap enough and protect against fuel shortage around my homes if/when they'll happen. Someone who use a car daily because he/she need can't. Those who cook with gas mostly do that because that's are the tools they have and can't afford buying new ones. FLOSS is a must not for the Earth but for us humans, to preserve Democracy, to avoid a day being locked out of our home, having lost our third-private-party provided IDs, locked out from our car etc. FLOSS principles of development, witch means public research and public money, public code, are a must to evolve in a socially sustainable manner instead of funding very few humans interests against all others BUT no, increasing prices of polluting things people's depend on is NOT at ALL a solution, it's just a way to lend in a dictatorship with a polite justification. If we want made a genocide of so many people to save the human species we need to be loud and clear, because we need to preserve "background noise" that made natural selection and evolution possible. The idea of classical eugenics is not less harmful nor a-scientific than the classic cross marriages between nobles not only for short-term political reasons but also to preserve the lineage "purity". We can't substitute nature effectively so we need to preserve diversity and natural selection, trying to generate and artificial one with various basis is a recipe to end up in a disaster large enough to have enough potential to crash our spaces.

cinntaile 4y ago
So you claim that increasing taxes increases civil unrest? What do you base this claim on? The countries with high taxes do not tend to be the countries that have a lot of civil unrest, low tax countries on the other hand... While that does not imply causation, it is food for thought I would say.
- kkfx 4y ago
  No, I claim increasing prices without increasing wages provoke unrest, and you can see that everywhere in the very present world. Taxes MUST BE a means to redistribute richness to avoid deepening too much the fork between richest and poorest, but for that money MUST BE a public value-less unit of measure of almost any substrate while actual money are private game, substrate of anything, and so taxes are ways to fund states that actually are just slaves of private central banks, that until some politicians decide that enough is enough and instead to play the right way organize a coup to arrest and devastate such privates criminals overnight manu militari publishing a small advise in the early morning: "anyone still fee can confess publicly it's crime against humanity in the next days or face revenge simply knowing a thing: Democracy does bring human rights, and such rights does not serve only to protect poor against riches but to protect any human being against anyone else, without substantial democracy there are no human rights so the old sword way still apply when used, against anyone, mercyless". Not something likely to happen in short times anyway. About taxes no, Sweden have high taxes and a deep social fracture with very relevant unrest, with crimes, bombs and shooting on the streets not much differently than certain parts of the USA or Sri Lanka these days. Swiss or France or Russia (the state, not the federation) so far have far less deep fracture while have less fiscal pressure. The issue with taxes is in their meaning.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    > I claim increasing prices without increasing wages provoke unrest, and you can see that everywhere in the very present world. If it increases too much that could happen, but there is nothing that says taxes have to be increased too much. > About taxes no, Sweden have high taxes and a deep social fracture with very relevant unrest, with crimes, bombs and shooting on the streets not much differently than certain parts of the USA or Sri Lanka these days. Swiss or France or Russia (the state, not the federation) so far have far less deep fracture while have less fiscal pressure. The issue with taxes is in their meaning. You don't seriously think Sweden has a similar crime rate with bombs and shootings as certain parts of the US... You're watching too much propaganda if you believe that.

by kkfx 4y ago

cinntaile 4y ago

So you claim that increasing taxes increases civil unrest? What do you base this claim on? The countries with high taxes do not tend to be the countries that have a lot of civil unrest, low tax countries on the other hand... While that does not imply causation, it is food for thought I would say.

kkfx 4y ago
No, I claim increasing prices without increasing wages provoke unrest, and you can see that everywhere in the very present world. Taxes MUST BE a means to redistribute richness to avoid deepening too much the fork between richest and poorest, but for that money MUST BE a public value-less unit of measure of almost any substrate while actual money are private game, substrate of anything, and so taxes are ways to fund states that actually are just slaves of private central banks, that until some politicians decide that enough is enough and instead to play the right way organize a coup to arrest and devastate such privates criminals overnight manu militari publishing a small advise in the early morning: "anyone still fee can confess publicly it's crime against humanity in the next days or face revenge simply knowing a thing: Democracy does bring human rights, and such rights does not serve only to protect poor against riches but to protect any human being against anyone else, without substantial democracy there are no human rights so the old sword way still apply when used, against anyone, mercyless". Not something likely to happen in short times anyway. About taxes no, Sweden have high taxes and a deep social fracture with very relevant unrest, with crimes, bombs and shooting on the streets not much differently than certain parts of the USA or Sri Lanka these days. Swiss or France or Russia (the state, not the federation) so far have far less deep fracture while have less fiscal pressure. The issue with taxes is in their meaning.
- cinntaile 4y ago
  > I claim increasing prices without increasing wages provoke unrest, and you can see that everywhere in the very present world. If it increases too much that could happen, but there is nothing that says taxes have to be increased too much. > About taxes no, Sweden have high taxes and a deep social fracture with very relevant unrest, with crimes, bombs and shooting on the streets not much differently than certain parts of the USA or Sri Lanka these days. Swiss or France or Russia (the state, not the federation) so far have far less deep fracture while have less fiscal pressure. The issue with taxes is in their meaning. You don't seriously think Sweden has a similar crime rate with bombs and shootings as certain parts of the US... You're watching too much propaganda if you believe that.