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you actually made the point of it.. when the populace is unarmed, the thugs can bully / rob / coerce just using muscle and knives, which makes the law abiding c

you actually made the point of it.. when the populace is unarmed, the thugs can bully / rob / coerce just using muscle and knives, which makes the law abiding citenzry less safe imho.. but of course some will see it that way and some will not - much of individuals view point depends on where live / work.. people in nice places, surrounded by other nice places are more insulated from the more prevalent daily violence of the less nice places - the people who live and work in thos different places often see it differently. anyway the saying is still true - outlaw X and only outlaws will have X - just like we outlawed drugs and have had a big expensive war on them for a long time - they are outlawed and wow, outlaws have them. Sure you'd see some street crews using guns less if very few people had them, but you'd defeinely have gangs that had guns, there's just too much money in the game, and you already have supply chains getting kilos of other things to you that are not supposed to exist in the country. Also if the criminal groups in Germany had Honduras, Mexico, El Salvador and their neighbors a train ride away, they would absolutely be using guns more imho. Every place on earth is apples to oranges when trying to compare the situation in the US in regards to these interconnected issues.

soco 4y ago
When the thugs actually use their muscle to rob you, you get a twisted arm. When the thugs actually use their gun, you get dead. One is less healthy than the other.
- stevenicr 4y ago
  Well for me that twisted arm would likely lead to a slow painful death (maybe 70/30 chances). There is a chance I could beg for charity at Vanderbilt to donate $10,000 hemophilia treatments (of which it may take several for days) to keep me from nonstop internally bleeding to death - and there is a chance it would prevent death and just keep me in excruciating pain physically, mentally and emotionally instead of complete death. There is a chance I could get charity to live through it, although I put the chances at less than 50%. There are other possible outcomes - partial treatment, and lawsuits over the hospital bills, and doctor bill. I would likely try to skip the hospital, apply ice every other 10 minutes and try to meditate my blood to flow slower. This could lead to nerve damage, and PTSD plus, but maybe not death. Frankly I'd rather them have a gun or knife and let things get decided faster. Many of the women I know would rather have the option to be armed to prevent twisted arms, and threats of severe violence. However I can understand that there are people int he world who would rather be at risk of mugging via force to prevent their neighbors from having firearms. I do think this varies much depending on the amount of localized violence and is likely different for the folks living in nice parts of the world then people who live in cheaper parts of the world / cities. I've also never thought when walking through New Orleans, SE D.C., or Memphis or St Louis that if one was to engage in a physical altercation with 'thugs' - that a simple 'twisted arm' would be the result. Wish I had the resources to poll the locals to know how many of them think that would be a common result. I understand things are different in different places, maybe parts of Germany and Russia have strong guys that twist arms and they get compliance. I would not expect that around here.

soco 4y ago

When the thugs actually use their muscle to rob you, you get a twisted arm. When the thugs actually use their gun, you get dead. One is less healthy than the other.

stevenicr 4y ago
Well for me that twisted arm would likely lead to a slow painful death (maybe 70/30 chances). There is a chance I could beg for charity at Vanderbilt to donate $10,000 hemophilia treatments (of which it may take several for days) to keep me from nonstop internally bleeding to death - and there is a chance it would prevent death and just keep me in excruciating pain physically, mentally and emotionally instead of complete death. There is a chance I could get charity to live through it, although I put the chances at less than 50%. There are other possible outcomes - partial treatment, and lawsuits over the hospital bills, and doctor bill. I would likely try to skip the hospital, apply ice every other 10 minutes and try to meditate my blood to flow slower. This could lead to nerve damage, and PTSD plus, but maybe not death. Frankly I'd rather them have a gun or knife and let things get decided faster. Many of the women I know would rather have the option to be armed to prevent twisted arms, and threats of severe violence. However I can understand that there are people int he world who would rather be at risk of mugging via force to prevent their neighbors from having firearms. I do think this varies much depending on the amount of localized violence and is likely different for the folks living in nice parts of the world then people who live in cheaper parts of the world / cities. I've also never thought when walking through New Orleans, SE D.C., or Memphis or St Louis that if one was to engage in a physical altercation with 'thugs' - that a simple 'twisted arm' would be the result. Wish I had the resources to poll the locals to know how many of them think that would be a common result. I understand things are different in different places, maybe parts of Germany and Russia have strong guys that twist arms and they get compliance. I would not expect that around here.