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> In ordinary usage Sounds like you are referring to a connotative value which is common to a subculture of English speakers. I learned to use the dictionary d

> In ordinary usage Sounds like you are referring to a connotative value which is common to a subculture of English speakers. I learned to use the dictionary definition from sociology 101.

rayiner 4y ago
You definitely didn’t learn the “dictionary definition” in any sociology class, but rather a redefinition of the term developed in social sciences circles that’s used mainly there. https://www.google.com/search?q=racism&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari https://www.google.com/search?q=racism&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=... > noun prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. "a program to combat racism"
- spacemanmatt 4y ago
  That's nice that you think the dictionary definition is an newer academic construct
  - rayiner 4y ago
    I’m not sure I understand your point. The dictionary definition, as I quoted above, refers to prejudice. Is that what you learned in sociology?
    - spacemanmatt 4y ago
      Yes, prejudice was discussed, but prejudice is not descriptive of the social force that we talked about in sociology.
    - spacemanmatt 4y ago
      The definition you quoted included discrimination which is another umbrella term like disproportionate effect. Why is it so hard to understand that racism is what racism does?
      - rayiner 4y ago
        Discrimination is also another term that in ordinary usage requires intent to discriminate. I don’t find the concept “hard to understand” I’m just talking about what commonly used words mean. “Racism” is a word that describes individual animosity. It’s confusing to try and overload it with other meanings.
        spacemanmatt 4y ago
        > ordinary usage requires intent to discriminate Disagreed. Our laws about discrimination against protected groups do not care about intent, nor do I care about intent when I am talking about a piece of code that serves to discriminate between one chunk of data and another in some fashion. In fact, even when I talk about people who discriminate, I rarely care about their intention.
        spacemanmatt 4y ago
        > overload it with other meanings I find the dictionary definitions suitable. I believe you have been arguing in favor of the overloaded social (connotative) meaning on this thread. Color me impressed.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > That's nice that you think the dictionary definition is an newer academic construct If you have to change the dictionary meaning of a word to make your argument work, it's your argument that is broken, not the dictionary.

> In ordinary usage Sounds like you are referring to a connotative value which is common to a subculture of English speakers. I learned to use the dictionary definition from sociology 101.

rayiner 4y ago

You definitely didn’t learn the “dictionary definition” in any sociology class, but rather a redefinition of the term developed in social sciences circles that’s used mainly there. https://www.google.com/search?q=racism&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari https://www.google.com/search?q=racism&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=... > noun prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. "a program to combat racism"

spacemanmatt 4y ago
That's nice that you think the dictionary definition is an newer academic construct
- rayiner 4y ago
  I’m not sure I understand your point. The dictionary definition, as I quoted above, refers to prejudice. Is that what you learned in sociology?
  - spacemanmatt 4y ago
    Yes, prejudice was discussed, but prejudice is not descriptive of the social force that we talked about in sociology.
  - spacemanmatt 4y ago
    The definition you quoted included discrimination which is another umbrella term like disproportionate effect. Why is it so hard to understand that racism is what racism does?
    - rayiner 4y ago
      Discrimination is also another term that in ordinary usage requires intent to discriminate. I don’t find the concept “hard to understand” I’m just talking about what commonly used words mean. “Racism” is a word that describes individual animosity. It’s confusing to try and overload it with other meanings.
      - spacemanmatt 4y ago
        > ordinary usage requires intent to discriminate Disagreed. Our laws about discrimination against protected groups do not care about intent, nor do I care about intent when I am talking about a piece of code that serves to discriminate between one chunk of data and another in some fashion. In fact, even when I talk about people who discriminate, I rarely care about their intention.
      - spacemanmatt 4y ago
        > overload it with other meanings I find the dictionary definitions suitable. I believe you have been arguing in favor of the overloaded social (connotative) meaning on this thread. Color me impressed.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > That's nice that you think the dictionary definition is an newer academic construct If you have to change the dictionary meaning of a word to make your argument work, it's your argument that is broken, not the dictionary.