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> It is because we can recycle, in theory, BUT it's economically untenable in practice, witch means that so far nobody really do it on scale This is simply wro

> It is because we can recycle, in theory, BUT it's economically untenable in practice, witch means that so far nobody really do it on scale This is simply wrong and totally incorrect. No one doing it "on scale" because there simply isn't enough recyclable material yet, not because it's non-profitable. (In fact the small lithium ion battery recycling companies are quite profitable already and they haven't even scaled up.) Most EVs are way too new to hit the recycle stream yet. Almost all EVs built are still driving today and on the roads and the ones getting recycled are the ones with the smallest batteries. This is a completely non-issue. > flying cars Flying cars will never happen because of noise and safety reasons.

kkfx 4y ago
> No one doing it "on scale" because there simply isn't enough recyclable material yet Lithium batteries are heavily used outside EVs since more than a decade, witch means we have many "recyclable material" since years, did you know just how many UPSes we sent to landfills any years? How many used mobile phones? ... So sorry, no that's propaganda, not reality, in reality the small companies you mentions are just small startups hyper-funded by Green New Deal giants who want to show them as profitable, but they aren't. > Flying cars will never happen because of noise and safety reasons. They are already there, and keep expanding at a steady pace, only most people do not even know that because beside some unis, govs and think tanks so far we have zero propaganda on them and we have propaganda against human fly "for environmental reasons" where the real reasons are that élites want to cut journeys in general to isolate populations for better directing them. If you think that's just an extreme and fantastic theory try a serious mind experiment: how much it cost not merely economical but also environmental costs in gazillion of tons of concrete, steel so iron, coke etc and how many years it take to build a trans-national rail line? Let's say from China to EU through central Asia as an extreme example. That imaging in such timeframe how many things might have changed making such big investments a dead project before completion. Now do the same for airborn and waterborn means: surely they need some "ports" on both ends, but they can go anywhere under a certain range. Try do do the same for road infra. We can debate on the why some push against human fly, but the economics of small flying devices and their effectiveness is clear. Cars demand much more raw material and much more regular entertainment (just for tires), flying demand far lighter and simpler cars, mostly aluminum witch is recyclable ad infinitum, and can last 50+years with regular checks and not much raw material demands. The same happen for ships vs trucks. As I said try to find such data yourself: you'll see a deep decline on anything "giant on scale" from big ships and planes to big land-based infra, toward small and flexible systems. You'll see a growing trend toward autarchy and isolation, witch deeply need ability to change quickly since it's something experimental in the present world so something that keep change at a fast peace, run your scenario and imaging the future remembering how much the society is changed in 50+ and 100+ years any 50/100 years in recent human history, so if you imaging something equal to today you know you are probably wrong, and try to depict a possible future.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > Lithium batteries are heavily used outside EVs since more than a decade, witch means we have many "recyclable material" since years, did you know just how many UPSes we sent to landfills any years? How many used mobile phones? ... So sorry, no that's propaganda, not reality, in reality the small companies you mentions are just small startups hyper-funded by Green New Deal giants who want to show them as profitable, but they aren't. EVs use dramatically more lithium ion material than had ever before even considered. Also small batteries as a portion of their total mass have a lot more packaging material (like plastics) that require manual work to separate from the battery metals. Larger batteries that are more uniform are easier to automatically disassemble. There is no "Green New Deal". That failed. These companies say they're profitable even without subsidies. > They are already there No they aren't. Sure you can strap some high power jet turbines on to a car and call it a flying car, but that doesn't make it any quieter nor does it make it safe.
  - kkfx 4y ago
    Some data https://s3.i-micronews.com/uploads/2020/07/YDR20092_Li-ion_Battery_Recycling_Trends_2020_flyer.pdf https://s3.i-micronews.com/uploads/2020/07/YDR20092_Li-ion_B... and https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batteries-big-unanswered-question https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batterie... About flying cars https://www.beta.team/ https://www.beta.team/ https://www.archer.com/ https://www.archer.com/ https://www.jobyaviation.com/ https://www.jobyaviation.com/ https://lilium.com/ https://lilium.com/ https://www.urbanaero.com/ https://www.urbanaero.com/ https://vertical-aerospace.com/ https://vertical-aerospace.com/ https://wisk.aero/ https://wisk.aero/ https://www.jetsonaero.com/ https://www.jetsonaero.com/ https://evtol.news/ehang-216/ https://evtol.news/ehang-216/ https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/zero-emission/urban-air-mobility/cityairbus-nextgen https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/zero-emission/urban-air... https://www.volocopter.com/ https://www.volocopter.com/ Just to show some producers, and those are ONLY eVTOL models. This report is not bad https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/nl/Documents/consumer-business/deloitte-nl-cip-elevating-the-future-of-mobility.pdf https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/nl/Documents/... so is classic BBC https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201111-the-flying-car-is-here-vtols-jetpacks-and-air-taxis https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201111-the-flying-car-i... some other random picked https://asiatimes.com/2021/06/virgin-atlantic-going-vertical-with-flying-taxi-pact/ https://asiatimes.com/2021/06/virgin-atlantic-going-vertical... and http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20201111000877 http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20201111000877 or https://tass.com/economy/1395363 https://tass.com/economy/1395363 or https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/03/europe-moves-closer-to-making-vtol-air-taxis-a-reality/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/03/europe-moves-closer-to-mak... Some official info https://www.easa.europa.eu/light/topics/urban-air-mobility https://www.easa.europa.eu/light/topics/urban-air-mobility

kkfx 4y ago

> No one doing it "on scale" because there simply isn't enough recyclable material yet Lithium batteries are heavily used outside EVs since more than a decade, witch means we have many "recyclable material" since years, did you know just how many UPSes we sent to landfills any years? How many used mobile phones? ... So sorry, no that's propaganda, not reality, in reality the small companies you mentions are just small startups hyper-funded by Green New Deal giants who want to show them as profitable, but they aren't. > Flying cars will never happen because of noise and safety reasons. They are already there, and keep expanding at a steady pace, only most people do not even know that because beside some unis, govs and think tanks so far we have zero propaganda on them and we have propaganda against human fly "for environmental reasons" where the real reasons are that élites want to cut journeys in general to isolate populations for better directing them. If you think that's just an extreme and fantastic theory try a serious mind experiment: how much it cost not merely economical but also environmental costs in gazillion of tons of concrete, steel so iron, coke etc and how many years it take to build a trans-national rail line? Let's say from China to EU through central Asia as an extreme example. That imaging in such timeframe how many things might have changed making such big investments a dead project before completion. Now do the same for airborn and waterborn means: surely they need some "ports" on both ends, but they can go anywhere under a certain range. Try do do the same for road infra. We can debate on the why some push against human fly, but the economics of small flying devices and their effectiveness is clear. Cars demand much more raw material and much more regular entertainment (just for tires), flying demand far lighter and simpler cars, mostly aluminum witch is recyclable ad infinitum, and can last 50+years with regular checks and not much raw material demands. The same happen for ships vs trucks. As I said try to find such data yourself: you'll see a deep decline on anything "giant on scale" from big ships and planes to big land-based infra, toward small and flexible systems. You'll see a growing trend toward autarchy and isolation, witch deeply need ability to change quickly since it's something experimental in the present world so something that keep change at a fast peace, run your scenario and imaging the future remembering how much the society is changed in 50+ and 100+ years any 50/100 years in recent human history, so if you imaging something equal to today you know you are probably wrong, and try to depict a possible future.

mlindner 4y ago
> Lithium batteries are heavily used outside EVs since more than a decade, witch means we have many "recyclable material" since years, did you know just how many UPSes we sent to landfills any years? How many used mobile phones? ... So sorry, no that's propaganda, not reality, in reality the small companies you mentions are just small startups hyper-funded by Green New Deal giants who want to show them as profitable, but they aren't. EVs use dramatically more lithium ion material than had ever before even considered. Also small batteries as a portion of their total mass have a lot more packaging material (like plastics) that require manual work to separate from the battery metals. Larger batteries that are more uniform are easier to automatically disassemble. There is no "Green New Deal". That failed. These companies say they're profitable even without subsidies. > They are already there No they aren't. Sure you can strap some high power jet turbines on to a car and call it a flying car, but that doesn't make it any quieter nor does it make it safe.
- kkfx 4y ago
  Some data https://s3.i-micronews.com/uploads/2020/07/YDR20092_Li-ion_Battery_Recycling_Trends_2020_flyer.pdf https://s3.i-micronews.com/uploads/2020/07/YDR20092_Li-ion_B... and https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batteries-big-unanswered-question https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batterie... About flying cars https://www.beta.team/ https://www.beta.team/ https://www.archer.com/ https://www.archer.com/ https://www.jobyaviation.com/ https://www.jobyaviation.com/ https://lilium.com/ https://lilium.com/ https://www.urbanaero.com/ https://www.urbanaero.com/ https://vertical-aerospace.com/ https://vertical-aerospace.com/ https://wisk.aero/ https://wisk.aero/ https://www.jetsonaero.com/ https://www.jetsonaero.com/ https://evtol.news/ehang-216/ https://evtol.news/ehang-216/ https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/zero-emission/urban-air-mobility/cityairbus-nextgen https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/zero-emission/urban-air... https://www.volocopter.com/ https://www.volocopter.com/ Just to show some producers, and those are ONLY eVTOL models. This report is not bad https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/nl/Documents/consumer-business/deloitte-nl-cip-elevating-the-future-of-mobility.pdf https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/nl/Documents/... so is classic BBC https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201111-the-flying-car-is-here-vtols-jetpacks-and-air-taxis https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201111-the-flying-car-i... some other random picked https://asiatimes.com/2021/06/virgin-atlantic-going-vertical-with-flying-taxi-pact/ https://asiatimes.com/2021/06/virgin-atlantic-going-vertical... and http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20201111000877 http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20201111000877 or https://tass.com/economy/1395363 https://tass.com/economy/1395363 or https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/03/europe-moves-closer-to-making-vtol-air-taxis-a-reality/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/03/europe-moves-closer-to-mak... Some official info https://www.easa.europa.eu/light/topics/urban-air-mobility https://www.easa.europa.eu/light/topics/urban-air-mobility