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What about your neighbors in Austria, Finland, Iceland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, or Norway? Because tons of those neighbors also own guns, but you aren't re
by darksaints 4y ago
What about your neighbors in Austria, Finland, Iceland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, or Norway? Because tons of those neighbors also own guns, but you aren't really any more likely to get shot there than you are in Germany (all of those countries have less than 3 deaths by firearms per 100k people). And if you're just looking at crime that is not intentionally self-inflicted, you're looking at less than 1 death per 100k.
Almost all international statistics on gun ownership and gun violence in developed countries show a direct relationship between the two...at least until you take out the largest outlier, the United States. Then that relationship completely disappears.
Because you aren't more likely to die because more people own guns. You're more likely to die when your neighbors are poor. A more rigorous approach, which keeps the US "outlier" but also doesn't discard developing countries shows an extremely strong relationship with crime: poverty. Specifically the number of people living below the poverty line. The US, despite it's level of wealth and development, has a huge poverty problem, and that poverty problem turns into violent crime problems in the US just like it does literally everywhere else in the world.
Your neighbors in Austria, Finland, Iceland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, and Norway have figured it out: actual functioning gun regulation that still liberally allows for gun ownership (even scary assault weapons!), but stronger emphasis on a well functioning economic society. It's quite a bit ironic that the gun control policies that the US left so vigorously pushes for won't really have a measurable effect, but the poverty-reduction measures that they have all but abandoned actually would. I really wish they could be steered in the right direction, but I've given up hope.
- vt85 4y ago
- em-bee 4y agogun laws across the EU are pretty similar because they are all based on the same EU laws. switzerland is actually the most liberal and it doesn't have more guns either. there are no more guns in austrian cities than there are in germany, or as far as i could tell, anywhere else in europe. maybe more people in the country side have guns because they use them for hunting. a lot of guns are also used for sport. you would only see those on shooting ranges. otherwise they are locked away. i do agree with the idea about poverty. that makes a lot of sense and is sometimes that can and should be addressed.
- em-bee 4y ago"sometimes" was meant to be "something". i blame a slip on the word suggestions from my keyboard
- soco 4y agoJust so I understand: while those countries you named try to solve poverty (and thus protect the richer) on the state level, the US leaves this responsibility to the riches themselves - which will have to stock on weaponry obviously. So basically pushing for more personal freedom brings as a collateral those street wars. Another example where applied philosophy fails (thinking about communism as well)