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Yeah, I get people wanting HOAs to maintain property values (Though I am not one of them, I chose a neighborhood with no HOA on purpose). I don't get people who

by cm2012 4y ago

Yeah, I get people wanting HOAs to maintain property values (Though I am not one of them, I chose a neighborhood with no HOA on purpose). I don't get people who genuinely care for its own sake about their neighbors lawn having weeds. Or the house having an unusual paint color. Who cares??

com2kid 4y ago
> I don't get people who genuinely care for its own sake about their neighbors lawn having weeds. Certain types of invasive plans are noxious, outright poisonous, encourage hay fever, or just spread so fast that they can end up destroying neighbor's yards as well. Plants don't obey property lines. Edit: Unkempt yards can also be breeding ground for pests. From mosquitoes in still water to hoards of rats. Most people don't want to put up with those styles of annoyances that are trivially avoidable if everyone in the area cares just a little.
- lupire 4y ago
  These are all already torts or illegal under municipal law.
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    Unfortunately, the court system is not friction-less enough for "your weeds got in my yard" to be a remotely workable reason to go to court. It would be nice to live in a society where justice flowed as freely as municipal water and common law obviated the need for all other forms of organization or regulation, but in the real world going to court is so expensive and time-consuming that we need a lot of other forms of power around to avoid overusing that method. If you have a plan for reforming the local judiciary to be so effective that HOAs are no longer necessary I am all ears, but I have not heard any proposals for doing that.
    - c22 4y ago
      You don't need to go to court. Most cities will be happy to fine your neighbors for "harboring pests".
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Hay fever comes from grass. Less grass makes me more comfortable at home. Rats come from having edible garbage available and fruit trees dropping fruit. The most annoying things about neighbors are dogs that bark all day, and the leafblowers and lawnmowers.
  - nickjj 4y ago
    > The most annoying things about neighbors are dogs that bark all day, and the leafblowers and lawnmowers. Do you not encounter leaf blowers and lawn mowers in a HOA community? I would have expected it to be much worse because there would be maintenance crews doing it for every house in the area vs maybe a few houses on a ~20 house block.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      Absolutely you do. The HOA I used to be in had that problem in spades. Weekends on a warm day were unbearable with the windows open.
voakbasda 4y ago
Weed seeds blow across property lines and create problems for other people. It creates an undue burden on those that want to maintain a garden or other curated flora.
- lupire 4y ago
  Maybe going to war against natural native plants is a losing battle...
  - vmladenov 4y ago
    Why do you assume the weeds in question are native and not invasive?
- WalterBright 4y ago
  The bad weeds around here are spread by bird poop. Not much to be done about that, except mow them down.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  And mandating that everyone have a manicured lawn doesn’t place an undue burden on those who like wildness and want to curate that or want to grow vegetables?
- betwixthewires 4y ago
  "Things happen by themselves outside, and having to deal with that because you want things in a certain way is an undue burden" You know weeds are only weeds if you don't want them, right? Everywhere else they're just wild plants.
jzb 4y ago
Depending on where you live and how bad a yard gets, it can be a real problem. Here, for example, it can be an invitation to snakes or other wildlife that aren’t confined to that property. That said, I’m -1 on HOAs. I’ve heard far too many complaints and too few people happy with them to deal with one.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  I've had quail, deer, mice, raccoons, coyotes, moles, hawks, snakes, lizards, bees, wabbits, squirrels, gophers ground beavers, bobcats, owls, and even eagles hanging out on my property. I'm in the middle of the metropolitan area, too. I don't mind them :-/ A couple years ago a coyote mom decided the front yard was the perfect place for her to watch her 7 pups grow up. She'd keep a weather eye on me, and I enjoyed watching them. A couple months ago a coyote decided to poop on my front door. Obviously, it was sending a message, but I'm not sure what it was.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    > but I'm not sure what it was Probably didn't like my HackerNews posts!

by cm2012 4y ago

com2kid 4y ago

> I don't get people who genuinely care for its own sake about their neighbors lawn having weeds. Certain types of invasive plans are noxious, outright poisonous, encourage hay fever, or just spread so fast that they can end up destroying neighbor's yards as well. Plants don't obey property lines. Edit: Unkempt yards can also be breeding ground for pests. From mosquitoes in still water to hoards of rats. Most people don't want to put up with those styles of annoyances that are trivially avoidable if everyone in the area cares just a little.

lupire 4y ago
These are all already torts or illegal under municipal law.
- whatshisface 4y ago
  Unfortunately, the court system is not friction-less enough for "your weeds got in my yard" to be a remotely workable reason to go to court. It would be nice to live in a society where justice flowed as freely as municipal water and common law obviated the need for all other forms of organization or regulation, but in the real world going to court is so expensive and time-consuming that we need a lot of other forms of power around to avoid overusing that method. If you have a plan for reforming the local judiciary to be so effective that HOAs are no longer necessary I am all ears, but I have not heard any proposals for doing that.
  - c22 4y ago
    You don't need to go to court. Most cities will be happy to fine your neighbors for "harboring pests".
WalterBright 4y ago
Hay fever comes from grass. Less grass makes me more comfortable at home. Rats come from having edible garbage available and fruit trees dropping fruit. The most annoying things about neighbors are dogs that bark all day, and the leafblowers and lawnmowers.
- nickjj 4y ago
  > The most annoying things about neighbors are dogs that bark all day, and the leafblowers and lawnmowers. Do you not encounter leaf blowers and lawn mowers in a HOA community? I would have expected it to be much worse because there would be maintenance crews doing it for every house in the area vs maybe a few houses on a ~20 house block.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Absolutely you do. The HOA I used to be in had that problem in spades. Weekends on a warm day were unbearable with the windows open.

voakbasda 4y ago

Weed seeds blow across property lines and create problems for other people. It creates an undue burden on those that want to maintain a garden or other curated flora.

lupire 4y ago
Maybe going to war against natural native plants is a losing battle...
- vmladenov 4y ago
  Why do you assume the weeds in question are native and not invasive?
WalterBright 4y ago
The bad weeds around here are spread by bird poop. Not much to be done about that, except mow them down.
nicoburns 4y ago
And mandating that everyone have a manicured lawn doesn’t place an undue burden on those who like wildness and want to curate that or want to grow vegetables?
betwixthewires 4y ago
"Things happen by themselves outside, and having to deal with that because you want things in a certain way is an undue burden" You know weeds are only weeds if you don't want them, right? Everywhere else they're just wild plants.

jzb 4y ago

Depending on where you live and how bad a yard gets, it can be a real problem. Here, for example, it can be an invitation to snakes or other wildlife that aren’t confined to that property. That said, I’m -1 on HOAs. I’ve heard far too many complaints and too few people happy with them to deal with one.

WalterBright 4y ago
I've had quail, deer, mice, raccoons, coyotes, moles, hawks, snakes, lizards, bees, wabbits, squirrels, gophers ground beavers, bobcats, owls, and even eagles hanging out on my property. I'm in the middle of the metropolitan area, too. I don't mind them :-/ A couple years ago a coyote mom decided the front yard was the perfect place for her to watch her 7 pups grow up. She'd keep a weather eye on me, and I enjoyed watching them. A couple months ago a coyote decided to poop on my front door. Obviously, it was sending a message, but I'm not sure what it was.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  > but I'm not sure what it was Probably didn't like my HackerNews posts!