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This makes sense. I recently saw an article in the local news that said the same as the dermatology academy mentioned in the article: Any sun exposure is suppos

This makes sense. I recently saw an article in the local news that said the same as the dermatology academy mentioned in the article: Any sun exposure is supposedly bad and has to be avoided. And the concept of building up tolerance was said to be nonsense, apparently any exposure is bad even when you don't burn. What I've always done is build up my tolerance by getting tan during the spring so I can walk around without sunscreen in summer. Of course I don't go crazy with it, and I try to avoid direct sunlight in high-UV situations (e.g. walking on the shaded side of the street) but I take it when there is no option. It works fine for me, I rarely get sunburn and when I do it's minor, just a little red glow and sensitivity. Even though I have very pale skin I tan and burn very slowly, luckily. I lived in Australia a while in the early '00s while the ozone hole was still around and the same approach worked even there I live in a country (Spain) that has lots of sun so I don't want to go out with cream every day. The only times I use it is when I'm outside for a long time and I feel I'm getting close to burning. I get that it's totally bad what I see many Northern European tourists do: They stay indoors most of the summer and then take a 2-week holiday to the costa's where they lay in the sun for 12 hours a day. Obviously this is totally bad, even with suncreen you will get totally burned to a crisp. In any case, I'll see. Maybe I'm wrong but in that case the damage is done already. But I don't think sun exposure can be as bad as they say.

manmal 4y ago
Why not just wear a hat if you don’t want cream?
- RamRodification 4y ago
  Arms and legs.
  - manmal 4y ago
    Skin exposure is quite different there because unlike the head they get a change in angle way more often. Sure you can get sunburn there too, but it’s harder to do.
  - oaktrout 4y ago
    For the arms at least, they make UV protective shirts, they are essentially just a lightweight loose breathable fabric. Worth considering if you aren't familiar with them.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  I do yes! I don't have much hair left so I kinda need to. For some reason my head burns quicker than the rest. I get mine mostly from walking in the woods/mountains too and I usually wear long trousers even on hot days too. But it's really for a different reason. I just don't like shorts and I get cut a lot.
xwdv 4y ago
Your tan isn’t doing anything. Radiation is still penetrating deep into your skin and damaging DNA, leading to potentially cancerous mutations.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  If this was true we wouldn't see human skin tone mapping pretty directly to ancestral UV exposure.
  - kgc 4y ago
    It does.
    - elevaet 4y ago
      That was their point
      - xwdv 4y ago
        No, it’s my point. We see skin tones mapped because all the lighter skin people died out faster than they could reproduce due to UV radiation killing them off sooner in life. Melanin rich individuals are more resilient, but that is not purely because of their skin and tanning won’t give you their power.
        colechristensen 4y ago
        This is some strange magical thinking. "Your tan isn’t doing anything." you say, despite clear evidence that melanin is associated with ancestral UV exposure and how your body develops a tan in response to UV exposure. Now you're suggesting a separate unnamed method of resilience associated with darker skinned people. I guess go ahead and fear the sun, you do you.
        xwdv 4y ago
        It’s very magical to think a tan is more powerful than the radiation of a burning star.
tremon 4y ago
I mostly go into the woods to get my sun exposure. My pet theory is that sunlight exposure isn't a problem, it's the persistent exposing of the same tissue that's causing problems. So instead of baking my body for hours on a sandy beach somewhere, I prefer to expose my body intermittently to the sun through the foliage.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  IMHO, the sun does not cause skin cancer. Oxidative stress causes skin cancer. If you have a functioning oxidative stress pathway you will not get skin cancer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3613501/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3613501/
pabs3 4y ago
The ozone hole still seems to exist: https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/sbuv2to/ozone_hole.shtml https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/sbuv2to/...
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  It does but what remains of it is not really over Australia anymore.

manmal 4y ago

Why not just wear a hat if you don’t want cream?

RamRodification 4y ago
Arms and legs.
- manmal 4y ago
  Skin exposure is quite different there because unlike the head they get a change in angle way more often. Sure you can get sunburn there too, but it’s harder to do.
- oaktrout 4y ago
  For the arms at least, they make UV protective shirts, they are essentially just a lightweight loose breathable fabric. Worth considering if you aren't familiar with them.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
I do yes! I don't have much hair left so I kinda need to. For some reason my head burns quicker than the rest. I get mine mostly from walking in the woods/mountains too and I usually wear long trousers even on hot days too. But it's really for a different reason. I just don't like shorts and I get cut a lot.

xwdv 4y ago

Your tan isn’t doing anything. Radiation is still penetrating deep into your skin and damaging DNA, leading to potentially cancerous mutations.

colechristensen 4y ago
If this was true we wouldn't see human skin tone mapping pretty directly to ancestral UV exposure.
- kgc 4y ago
  It does.
  - elevaet 4y ago
    That was their point
    - xwdv 4y ago
      No, it’s my point. We see skin tones mapped because all the lighter skin people died out faster than they could reproduce due to UV radiation killing them off sooner in life. Melanin rich individuals are more resilient, but that is not purely because of their skin and tanning won’t give you their power.
      - colechristensen 4y ago
        This is some strange magical thinking. "Your tan isn’t doing anything." you say, despite clear evidence that melanin is associated with ancestral UV exposure and how your body develops a tan in response to UV exposure. Now you're suggesting a separate unnamed method of resilience associated with darker skinned people. I guess go ahead and fear the sun, you do you.
        xwdv 4y ago
        It’s very magical to think a tan is more powerful than the radiation of a burning star.

tremon 4y ago

I mostly go into the woods to get my sun exposure. My pet theory is that sunlight exposure isn't a problem, it's the persistent exposing of the same tissue that's causing problems. So instead of baking my body for hours on a sandy beach somewhere, I prefer to expose my body intermittently to the sun through the foliage.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
IMHO, the sun does not cause skin cancer. Oxidative stress causes skin cancer. If you have a functioning oxidative stress pathway you will not get skin cancer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3613501/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3613501/

pabs3 4y ago

The ozone hole still seems to exist: https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/ https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/sbuv2to/ozone_hole.shtml https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/sbuv2to/...

GekkePrutser 4y ago
It does but what remains of it is not really over Australia anymore.