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Guns are one of the most common things burglars are looking for when they’re robbing a home. Contrary to some popular rhetoric, people with guns effectively ne

Guns are one of the most common things burglars are looking for when they’re robbing a home. Contrary to some popular rhetoric, people with guns effectively never stop crimes in progress.

matt-attack 4y ago
Hmm you sure about that? It literally just happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-confrontation-with-homeowner-in-walnut/ar-AAXzgH4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-... Have you considered the possibility that your media sources intentionally withhold such news cases such that you’ve evidently been left with a confused view of the reality?
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- rco8786 4y ago
  Every week people win the lottery too.
HideousKojima 4y ago
Even the lowest estimates by pro gun control groups and researches put defensive gun uses in the US at 55k+ a year. Most estimates range from 500k to several million a year.
- rco8786 4y ago
  Those all include police and other security personnel usages as far as I am aware. I guess my statement lacked the proper context but I’m focused more on private gun ownership. The idea that having a gun in our home is ample protection from a burglar, for instance, is rooted in an egotistical vision of ourselves saving the day from the bad guy. Not any sort of reality. It happens, but it is exceedingly rare and you’re much more likely to have that gun stolen or injure someone by accident than you are to stop a home invader.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    The CDC disagrees: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15 https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15
    - rco8786 4y ago
      The CDC seems to agree that the data available is shaky and inconclusive, and that other gun related injuries may outweigh the defensive benefit as I said above, but I take your point.
stevenicr 4y ago
agree that they are sought by burglars and add that much of the car crime has that as primary focus it seems. disagree that they never stop crimes. many of the times they stop crimes they are not reported, and even if reported would not make it to any stats. It's easy to see this if you just think of the hundreds of stops each day in every city in which an armored car pulls up to get money. Literally hundreds of times every day people with guns are preventing crime that would be progress.
- rco8786 4y ago
  If it wasn’t clear from context, I was targeting that statement around private gun ownership rather than security focused professions.

Guns are one of the most common things burglars are looking for when they’re robbing a home. Contrary to some popular rhetoric, people with guns effectively never stop crimes in progress.

matt-attack 4y ago

Hmm you sure about that? It literally just happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-confrontation-with-homeowner-in-walnut/ar-AAXzgH4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-... Have you considered the possibility that your media sources intentionally withhold such news cases such that you’ve evidently been left with a confused view of the reality?

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rco8786 4y ago
Every week people win the lottery too.

HideousKojima 4y ago

Even the lowest estimates by pro gun control groups and researches put defensive gun uses in the US at 55k+ a year. Most estimates range from 500k to several million a year.

rco8786 4y ago
Those all include police and other security personnel usages as far as I am aware. I guess my statement lacked the proper context but I’m focused more on private gun ownership. The idea that having a gun in our home is ample protection from a burglar, for instance, is rooted in an egotistical vision of ourselves saving the day from the bad guy. Not any sort of reality. It happens, but it is exceedingly rare and you’re much more likely to have that gun stolen or injure someone by accident than you are to stop a home invader.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  The CDC disagrees: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15 https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15
  - rco8786 4y ago
    The CDC seems to agree that the data available is shaky and inconclusive, and that other gun related injuries may outweigh the defensive benefit as I said above, but I take your point.

stevenicr 4y ago

agree that they are sought by burglars and add that much of the car crime has that as primary focus it seems. disagree that they never stop crimes. many of the times they stop crimes they are not reported, and even if reported would not make it to any stats. It's easy to see this if you just think of the hundreds of stops each day in every city in which an armored car pulls up to get money. Literally hundreds of times every day people with guns are preventing crime that would be progress.

rco8786 4y ago
If it wasn’t clear from context, I was targeting that statement around private gun ownership rather than security focused professions.