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An armed society is a polite society. -- RAH

watwut 4y ago
And that sentence is made up. It is sentence from fictional story. It does not accurately describes how real world works. Many cultures full of gun are super rude - macho dudes proving masculinity and low level criminals are more likely to have guns and are way less polite then average person.
ourmandave 4y ago
Politeness grounded in fear and the threat of violence. Arguments and differences escalating to shoot outs. Sounds like Utopia... in the 5th circle of hell.
- outgunned 4y ago
res0nat0r 4y ago
I'd expect if this were true, then the USA which has the highest per capita concentration of guns anywhere in the world, should also have the least amount of crime, but this isn't the case.
- stevenicr 4y ago
  per capita when you average that way sure - but i think it's more like the average gun owner has several and it still leaves millions of people unarmed and are easy victims. I also do not think lethal force is the primary reducer of crime for a country, I think it has more to do with social safety net available and income inequality and things like that - and guns won't help with those factors. Then of course you have to add El Salvodor, Honduras and their neighbors being a free train ride away to the mix. One thing to reduce violent crimes is not going to stop all crime anywhere, especially here.
throw0101a 4y ago
> An armed society is a polite society. -- RAH You may wish to actually look up the Heinlein quotation and its context: > To begin with, the quote isn’t a Heinlein quote any more than “I seen that black n****** yonder ruttin’ on my Mayella!” is a Harper Lee quote. The “polite society” line comes from a Robert Heinlein character in the novel Beyond This Horizon. That character is a privileged product of generations of eugenics. He lives in a society where genetic manipulation has extended lifespans and overpopulation is a prime concern. In that world, dueling has been re-introduced not because it makes people “polite” but because it kills people. And the character likes it because he believes it specifically kills those lesser people, those genetically inferior people, who need to be weeded out to make room for the übermensch to thrive. * https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/2/1881430/--An-armed-society-is-a-polite-society-is-a-call-for-more-gun-violence-not-less https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/2/1881430/--An-armed... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_This_Horizon#In_popular_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_This_Horizon#In_popular... Further: > There are two problems with this line of thought. First, there is plenty of evidence that it is not true. Second, even if it were true, we shouldn't settle for this kind of "politeness." * https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/ethics-everyone/202205/is-armed-society-really-polite-society https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/ethics-everyone/2022...

And that sentence is made up. It is sentence from fictional story. It does not accurately describes how real world works. Many cultures full of gun are super rude - macho dudes proving masculinity and low level criminals are more likely to have guns and are way less polite then average person.

ourmandave 4y ago

Politeness grounded in fear and the threat of violence. Arguments and differences escalating to shoot outs. Sounds like Utopia... in the 5th circle of hell.

outgunned 4y ago

res0nat0r 4y ago

I'd expect if this were true, then the USA which has the highest per capita concentration of guns anywhere in the world, should also have the least amount of crime, but this isn't the case.

stevenicr 4y ago
per capita when you average that way sure - but i think it's more like the average gun owner has several and it still leaves millions of people unarmed and are easy victims. I also do not think lethal force is the primary reducer of crime for a country, I think it has more to do with social safety net available and income inequality and things like that - and guns won't help with those factors. Then of course you have to add El Salvodor, Honduras and their neighbors being a free train ride away to the mix. One thing to reduce violent crimes is not going to stop all crime anywhere, especially here.

throw0101a 4y ago

> An armed society is a polite society. -- RAH You may wish to actually look up the Heinlein quotation and its context: > To begin with, the quote isn’t a Heinlein quote any more than “I seen that black n****** yonder ruttin’ on my Mayella!” is a Harper Lee quote. The “polite society” line comes from a Robert Heinlein character in the novel Beyond This Horizon. That character is a privileged product of generations of eugenics. He lives in a society where genetic manipulation has extended lifespans and overpopulation is a prime concern. In that world, dueling has been re-introduced not because it makes people “polite” but because it kills people. And the character likes it because he believes it specifically kills those lesser people, those genetically inferior people, who need to be weeded out to make room for the übermensch to thrive. * https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/2/1881430/--An-armed-society-is-a-polite-society-is-a-call-for-more-gun-violence-not-less https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/2/1881430/--An-armed... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_This_Horizon#In_popular_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_This_Horizon#In_popular... Further: > There are two problems with this line of thought. First, there is plenty of evidence that it is not true. Second, even if it were true, we shouldn't settle for this kind of "politeness." * https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/ethics-everyone/202205/is-armed-society-really-polite-society https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/ethics-everyone/2022...