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Why do you answer "yes" when the answer is obviously "no"? No, 60k miles is not a good estimate for how long ICE powertrains usually last. Truly baffling reason

Why do you answer "yes" when the answer is obviously "no"? No, 60k miles is not a good estimate for how long ICE powertrains usually last. Truly baffling reasoning. Another example: iPhones have a 1-year warranty but usually last much longer than that.

endisneigh 4y ago
It's an apples to apples comparison. Anything else is just cherry picking. There are plenty of cars that can't go 60K miles without some part of the powertrain needing maintenance. The question is how long something lasts without needing any repair. The warranty is a good approximation of this. Obviously with constant repair things can last much longer. iPhones are irrelevant to the discussion, lol.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > needing maintenance > needing any repair But for the battery, you were talking about when it needed replacement.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    Yes, in the context of battery degradation, not that the battery doesn't work at all, or battery failure.
- peferron 4y ago
  > The question is how long something lasts without needing any repair. The warranty is a good approximation of this. No, it's not. That's why some manufacturers offer much longer warranties than others despite having similar reliability numbers. Warranty terms are driven by the business and encompass a lot more than mean time to first failure. > iPhones are irrelevant to the discussion, lol. If warranties were a good approximation of how long things last without repair, why would that only apply in the car world?
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    > No, it's not. That's why some manufacturers offer much longer warranties than others despite having similar reliability numbers. Warranty terms are driven by the business and encompass a lot more than mean time to first failure. What's an example of this controlled for the price of the car? > If warranties were a good approximation of how long things last without repair, why would that only apply in the car world? Warranties are a good approximation in the context of cars. Virtually all other consumer devices have a 1 year warranty so it's not really a distinguishing feature. In any case, warranty aside the reason I even brought it up is because many manufacturers warranties imply potential for up to 30% degradation after about 8 years which is why I used the numbers I used (https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batter...)
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      According to Consumer Reports, Lexus is the most reliable brand and Lincoln is the least reliable. Cars from these brands are similarly priced. Both of them offer a 4/50 basic warranty and a 6/70 powertrain warranty.

endisneigh 4y ago

It's an apples to apples comparison. Anything else is just cherry picking. There are plenty of cars that can't go 60K miles without some part of the powertrain needing maintenance. The question is how long something lasts without needing any repair. The warranty is a good approximation of this. Obviously with constant repair things can last much longer. iPhones are irrelevant to the discussion, lol.

josephcsible 4y ago
> needing maintenance > needing any repair But for the battery, you were talking about when it needed replacement.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  Yes, in the context of battery degradation, not that the battery doesn't work at all, or battery failure.
peferron 4y ago
> The question is how long something lasts without needing any repair. The warranty is a good approximation of this. No, it's not. That's why some manufacturers offer much longer warranties than others despite having similar reliability numbers. Warranty terms are driven by the business and encompass a lot more than mean time to first failure. > iPhones are irrelevant to the discussion, lol. If warranties were a good approximation of how long things last without repair, why would that only apply in the car world?
- endisneigh 4y ago
  > No, it's not. That's why some manufacturers offer much longer warranties than others despite having similar reliability numbers. Warranty terms are driven by the business and encompass a lot more than mean time to first failure. What's an example of this controlled for the price of the car? > If warranties were a good approximation of how long things last without repair, why would that only apply in the car world? Warranties are a good approximation in the context of cars. Virtually all other consumer devices have a 1 year warranty so it's not really a distinguishing feature. In any case, warranty aside the reason I even brought it up is because many manufacturers warranties imply potential for up to 30% degradation after about 8 years which is why I used the numbers I used (https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batter...)
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    According to Consumer Reports, Lexus is the most reliable brand and Lincoln is the least reliable. Cars from these brands are similarly priced. Both of them offer a 4/50 basic warranty and a 6/70 powertrain warranty.