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The top of the range is slower to charge. So for your 50 miles of range you would be suffering very long charge times. Whereas with a high range you can charge

by natch 4y ago

The top of the range is slower to charge. So for your 50 miles of range you would be suffering very long charge times. Whereas with a high range you can charge up to 50 miles very quickly (e.g. in a contrived case where your battery was down to 2 miles, you could charge up to 50 miles in 3 minutes at a fast charger). On the other hand, if you truly only need 50 miles, you don't want to be lugging around the extra battery weight. On the other-other hand, you don't seem concerned about lugging around the polluting gas engine when batteries would do the job just as well if not better. Charging time at the top of the range is one factor that many advocates of low-range vehicles are not aware of. What ends up happening with PHEVs is the gas engine gets used way more than you expect. Also, PHEVs stink, so there is that. And before you mention long tailpipe, it is a fallacy, as has been explained.

jazzyjackson 4y ago
when paired with high voltage chargers meant for 300 mile batteries, you can reach 40mi (80%) in no time I plug my prius PHEV into a 110v socket at night and it serves my 25mi daily driving just fine.
- natch 4y ago
  Yeah if you have overnight available, life is good! We lived exclusively with only one 110 outlet in reach, with two high-range EVs, and never had an issue keeping both of them charged. Granted our commute was similar to yours, but the point is, a lot of people don't realize that 110 will do the trick in many cases, if you are charging overnight.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > when paired with high voltage chargers meant for 300 mile batteries, you can reach 40mi (80%) in no time Charging speed is directly proportional to the size of the battery. But yes with high voltage DC chargers on a small battery you'll reach 80% at the same rate as a larger battery, but the 80% is much smaller, so the mile gain rate is also much smaller.
magicalhippo 4y ago
> Also, PHEVs stink We've had a BEV for three years now. Last Christmas we had a loaner as it was for repair, and the loaner was a regular ICE. One of the first things that struck me was the smell of fuel and exhaust. The next thing was how noisy it was. Hope I don't have to get another ICE, BEVs are just so much nicer to drive overall.

by natch 4y ago

jazzyjackson 4y ago

when paired with high voltage chargers meant for 300 mile batteries, you can reach 40mi (80%) in no time I plug my prius PHEV into a 110v socket at night and it serves my 25mi daily driving just fine.

natch 4y ago
Yeah if you have overnight available, life is good! We lived exclusively with only one 110 outlet in reach, with two high-range EVs, and never had an issue keeping both of them charged. Granted our commute was similar to yours, but the point is, a lot of people don't realize that 110 will do the trick in many cases, if you are charging overnight.
mlindner 4y ago
> when paired with high voltage chargers meant for 300 mile batteries, you can reach 40mi (80%) in no time Charging speed is directly proportional to the size of the battery. But yes with high voltage DC chargers on a small battery you'll reach 80% at the same rate as a larger battery, but the 80% is much smaller, so the mile gain rate is also much smaller.

magicalhippo 4y ago

> Also, PHEVs stink We've had a BEV for three years now. Last Christmas we had a loaner as it was for repair, and the loaner was a regular ICE. One of the first things that struck me was the smell of fuel and exhaust. The next thing was how noisy it was. Hope I don't have to get another ICE, BEVs are just so much nicer to drive overall.