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Another thing not talked about with regard to electric vehicles is the increased weight they have and the accompanying damage to the roads due to that increased
by suture 4y ago
Another thing not talked about with regard to electric vehicles is the increased weight they have and the accompanying damage to the roads due to that increased weight. In my city the roads are already crappy and having large numbers of electric vehicles will make those roads much worse.
Edit: See the chart on the following website if you discount the effect of increased weight from electric vehicles.
https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weight-vs-road-damage-levels/ https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weigh...
- kolinko 4y agoThe road damage is 95% heavy traffic, if I'm not mistaken - one 18-wheeler is equivalent to literally 10000 cars. Whether personal vehicles are 2x as heavy, or 50% lighter, it will not impact your neighborhood roads significantly.
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- suture 4y agoIt appears from the following website that you are wrong to discount the effects of increasing the weight of the vehicle a few hundred pounds. I stand by my original assertion. https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weight-vs-road-damage-levels/ https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weigh...
- ben-schaaf 4y agoNeighbourhood roads don't see 18-wheelers. Additionally a 2x increase in weight results in a ~20x increase in damage [0]. That's certainly not negligible and will eventually have to be factored into car taxes. The same is true for heavy trucks though: subsidies on road damage/maintenance disincentivises more efficient modes like rail. [0] https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weight-vs-road-damage-levels/ https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weigh...
- SECProto 4y agoThe "~20x increase in damage" may still be negligible. Where I live, damage to neighbourhood roads is mostly caused by the freeze-thaw cycle. Similar damage can happen from wet-dry cycles with eg expansive clay subgrades. Loading at high temperatures is another major one - warming climate accelerates that damage.
- hedora 4y agoNeighborhood streets see delivery vans.
- coryrc 4y ago99% actually, while paying only 35% of the cost. https://truecostblog.com/2009/06/02/the-hidden-trucking-industry-subsidy/ https://truecostblog.com/2009/06/02/the-hidden-trucking-indu...
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4y agoICE vs EV curb weights compared: Sedans: - BMW 3 series: 1,445 kg - Tesla Model 3 SR: 1,617 kg Δ: 12% SUV: - BMW X3 series: 1,875 kg - Tesla Model Y SR: 1,929 kg Δ: 2.88% !! Not so significant, is it?
- suture 4y agoA Hyundai Kona electric is 15% heavier than the Hyundai Kona ICE version. I was under the impression that damage to the roads due to weight followed a power law. I think I’m right in my assessment. https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weight-vs-road-damage-levels/ https://streets.mn/2016/07/07/chart-of-the-day-vehicle-weigh...
- hedora 4y agoOk, but accessories like power seats also add weight. 15% is a few hundred pounds. That's nothing compared to changing vehicle class or frame dimensions. If you're willing to not have a front trunk, you can get a smaller, nimbler car with similar safety and legroom.
- lttlrck 4y agoWhy SR and not the approx. 200kg heavier LR?
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4y agoBecause it's, by far, the most popular model (once it's being produced locally).