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For one thing, fuel burning vehicles make exhaust that is unnecessary. But the main reason is they are vastly more complicated and expensive to design, build, m

by rnk 4y ago

For one thing, fuel burning vehicles make exhaust that is unnecessary. But the main reason is they are vastly more complicated and expensive to design, build, maintain than battery vehicles. bev have something like 90% fewer parts.

endisneigh 4y ago
> For one thing, fuel burning vehicles make exhaust that is unnecessary. But the main reason is they are vastly more complicated and expensive to design, build, maintain than battery vehicles. bev have something like 90% fewer parts. People keep saying this but is this true? Modern ICE is pretty well understood. We’re not taking about a Honda beater from the 80s. Not to mention in the context of a PHEV you still wouldn't have exhaust for most trips anyway.
- ageitgey 4y ago
  Modern ICE have been refined for over 100 years and have improved enormously. But there is just a lot more involved in making them move than electric engines. That's not to say EVs aren't complex or hard to build. There are a lot of parts inside the battery pack. But they aren't moving parts and they don't need the same kind of regular maintenance. Electric cars don't have oil to change and they almost never need brakes replaced because of regen. They don't have O2 sensors that fail, they don't have spark plugs to change, they don't have timing belts to replace, etc. If you look at a list of the top 10 most frequent car repairs, maybe 9 of them can't happen on an electric car. It is just a simpler system of moving parts. The complexity is in a different place. The problem with PHEV is you have the different types of complexity of both systems combined just in an effort to boost range.
rr808 4y ago
> are vastly more complicated and expensive to design, build, maintain than battery vehicles. True, ICE car are more complicated but its pretty clear that build and maintain is cheaper than BEV. ICE cars are half the price of EVs. Maintenance of good Japanese cars is cheap, I spend like $30/yr on oil changes.

by rnk 4y ago

endisneigh 4y ago

> For one thing, fuel burning vehicles make exhaust that is unnecessary. But the main reason is they are vastly more complicated and expensive to design, build, maintain than battery vehicles. bev have something like 90% fewer parts. People keep saying this but is this true? Modern ICE is pretty well understood. We’re not taking about a Honda beater from the 80s. Not to mention in the context of a PHEV you still wouldn't have exhaust for most trips anyway.

ageitgey 4y ago
Modern ICE have been refined for over 100 years and have improved enormously. But there is just a lot more involved in making them move than electric engines. That's not to say EVs aren't complex or hard to build. There are a lot of parts inside the battery pack. But they aren't moving parts and they don't need the same kind of regular maintenance. Electric cars don't have oil to change and they almost never need brakes replaced because of regen. They don't have O2 sensors that fail, they don't have spark plugs to change, they don't have timing belts to replace, etc. If you look at a list of the top 10 most frequent car repairs, maybe 9 of them can't happen on an electric car. It is just a simpler system of moving parts. The complexity is in a different place. The problem with PHEV is you have the different types of complexity of both systems combined just in an effort to boost range.

rr808 4y ago

> are vastly more complicated and expensive to design, build, maintain than battery vehicles. True, ICE car are more complicated but its pretty clear that build and maintain is cheaper than BEV. ICE cars are half the price of EVs. Maintenance of good Japanese cars is cheap, I spend like $30/yr on oil changes.