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Hmm, I spot checked a bunch of songs in the list and only listened to songs I haven't heard of and I didn't get goosebumps or any hint of frission once. But I

by nickjj 4y ago

Hmm, I spot checked a bunch of songs in the list and only listened to songs I haven't heard of and I didn't get goosebumps or any hint of frission once. But I get goosebumps / etc. all the time when I listen to music I like, even songs I've listened to 50 times. Is it really considered "scientifically proven" at that point? It sounds more like "if you like music, you'll probably get goosebumps when you listen to specific segments of songs you like". What's really interesting to me is YouTube recently released a new feature into their video player that shows how frequently a certain point of a video was replayed. Even calling out "most replayed" with a label in the timeline. I'd be curious to see if frission points are associated to that. I listened to 2 songs I like and in both cases the most replayed label was near the frission points. This song's replay graph lines up with that perfectly for me, there's a large spike of replays at https://youtu.be/xHE5g9YgkFg?list=RDKAJhswlEdTo&t=163 https://youtu.be/xHE5g9YgkFg?list=RDKAJhswlEdTo&t=163 but the "most replayed" part is 2 seconds after the build up. If I listen to 2:42 to 2:57, I will get a small amount of frission at 2:58 and then 2 more bigger "frissions" at 3:02 and 3:05.

whartung 4y ago
I'm not saying it can't happen organically with an unheard song, I'm sure it can. But, sticking with the Dream Theater thread, I KNOW these events happen in their songs, I know where they'll happen, I know when they'll happen, and even give all that, they're still exciting when they do. A musician friend of mine said that a key aspect of music is "surprise", and, obviously surprise can happen anywhere and everywhere. But the downside of surprise is that it can only happen once. At Knott's Berry Farm, they have a log ride. Very nice log ride, lots of thematic elements scattered about. It also has a dark section, everything is blacked out. (Spoiler) In the middle of the dark section is a drop, and it's very surprising. Ride on it again, though, and it's thrilling. You know it's there. You know it's coming, but it's a thrill nonetheless. How many times have you been on a roller coaster and said something like "Here it comes!". Dream Theaters music, for me, is filled with these moments. When I first listen to a new DT album, inevitably, I won't like it. It takes me a solid 10 times to get in to its "groove", to find it's surprises. In the end, it grabs hold of me and I look forward to those "moments". And, to do so, I'll listen to the whole song. I won't skip to "just that moment", because it's not the same. I'll listen to the whole 20 minute song to get to the moment at the end, "journey is the reward" kind of thing. You can't reduce a 20m song to those few crescendo moments.
- nickjj 4y ago
  Surprise is a decoupled feeling from enjoyment I think. Having a good surprise in music is great because you think "wow, I can't believe that was so good" but then you can enjoy it 100 more times over the next 5 years. I can like a song a lot the first time I hear it and often times that is the basis on whether or not I'll listen to it again or semi-routinely. I really do think "likeness" plays a major role in the frission itself. I listened to a couple of tracks in the article's list multiple times since my original reply and felt nothing. I can appreciate the workmanship that went into creating it but it didn't spark anything and I'll likely never be inclined to listen to them again. Music is an extremely complex subject, there's so many variables that go into filtering what you like and dislike. There's also a huge amount of things that go into bucketing a track into "this is basically torture" to "I'm embarrassed to listen to this alone" to "acceptable background noise" to "I would be upset if I could never listen to this again".

by nickjj 4y ago

whartung 4y ago

I'm not saying it can't happen organically with an unheard song, I'm sure it can. But, sticking with the Dream Theater thread, I KNOW these events happen in their songs, I know where they'll happen, I know when they'll happen, and even give all that, they're still exciting when they do. A musician friend of mine said that a key aspect of music is "surprise", and, obviously surprise can happen anywhere and everywhere. But the downside of surprise is that it can only happen once. At Knott's Berry Farm, they have a log ride. Very nice log ride, lots of thematic elements scattered about. It also has a dark section, everything is blacked out. (Spoiler) In the middle of the dark section is a drop, and it's very surprising. Ride on it again, though, and it's thrilling. You know it's there. You know it's coming, but it's a thrill nonetheless. How many times have you been on a roller coaster and said something like "Here it comes!". Dream Theaters music, for me, is filled with these moments. When I first listen to a new DT album, inevitably, I won't like it. It takes me a solid 10 times to get in to its "groove", to find it's surprises. In the end, it grabs hold of me and I look forward to those "moments". And, to do so, I'll listen to the whole song. I won't skip to "just that moment", because it's not the same. I'll listen to the whole 20 minute song to get to the moment at the end, "journey is the reward" kind of thing. You can't reduce a 20m song to those few crescendo moments.

nickjj 4y ago
Surprise is a decoupled feeling from enjoyment I think. Having a good surprise in music is great because you think "wow, I can't believe that was so good" but then you can enjoy it 100 more times over the next 5 years. I can like a song a lot the first time I hear it and often times that is the basis on whether or not I'll listen to it again or semi-routinely. I really do think "likeness" plays a major role in the frission itself. I listened to a couple of tracks in the article's list multiple times since my original reply and felt nothing. I can appreciate the workmanship that went into creating it but it didn't spark anything and I'll likely never be inclined to listen to them again. Music is an extremely complex subject, there's so many variables that go into filtering what you like and dislike. There's also a huge amount of things that go into bucketing a track into "this is basically torture" to "I'm embarrassed to listen to this alone" to "acceptable background noise" to "I would be upset if I could never listen to this again".