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“Expectancy violations (e.g., harmonic, rhythmic, and/or melodic violations) are strongly correlated to the onset of musical frisson, such that some level of vi

“Expectancy violations (e.g., harmonic, rhythmic, and/or melodic violations) are strongly correlated to the onset of musical frisson, such that some level of violated expectation may be a prerequisite.” Interesting. The Spotify playlist didn't do much for me, but when I think of a couple moments in songs that always give me chills, they all feature that pattern: Nightwish, Ghost Love Score, Wacken 2013 @ 9:22, affectionately nicknamed the "Floor-gasm" by fans. The melody line feels like it's already gone as high as she can possibly go and is just going to descend by a couple notes. Instead she takes it up another 5th to what feels like an impossibly high note, and then holds it there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47e_961OQWE#t=528 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47e_961OQWE#t=528 Dream Theater, A Change of Seasons, @ 13:01 and again @ 13:28. It follows one of the odd-time-signatures, chromatic-only jam sessions, and then the band teases an end multiple times starting @ 12:40. When the jam session finally resolves into 4/4 time and the guitar comes in with those held power chords, you're like "Ahhh...." and then just as you start grooving along to that rhythm, the guitars/bass/drums drop out entirely and it's just acapella vocals over keys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZKrwJzGg0k#t=730 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZKrwJzGg0k#t=730

fjfaase 4y ago
I too was thinking about Ghost Love Score. I get it especially when watching reaction videos when noticing that others are getting it. So, it might not just due to the music itself, but also be a social/emotional effect. I have literally have weekends where I only watched reaction videos and got it over and over again.
- tremon 4y ago
  My favourite moment in Ghost Love Score is much earlier in the song, at t=158, "into the blue memory". That transition and the melodic line following it ("still I write...everything I may ever be") is pure gold.
Doctor_Fegg 4y ago
And the greatest frisson moment in the whole of Anglican choral music: the Nunc Dimittis from Herbert Howells' Gloucester Service. Start listening at the beginning of the Gloria (well, listen to the whole thing if you can, but if you're pushed for time start here): https://youtu.be/4jmxJa4kMGM?t=131 https://youtu.be/4jmxJa4kMGM?t=131 The famous frisson moment in this recording is at 2m57: "as it was". Three reasons. One is the shifting chords in the organ part and the tenor/bass parts that lead up to it (the "expectancy violations"). The second is just the pure thrill of trebles soaring to a top A like that. And the third you only get if you listened to the Magnificat beforehand, which in its natural environment - a service of choral Evensong - you would: the "as it was" in the Gloria of the Nunc is _almost_ exactly the same as it was in the Mag... just a beat later. Pure "expectancy violation" again. Howells is full of these moments. The big, crunchy, discordant Amen in the Gloria of the Magdalen Service is my favourite - where the harmonies are offset by a crescendo/diminuendo/crescendo sequence in the choir, all on the same note.
- tomcam 4y ago
  That was electric. Thank you. I have also had a few of those experiences singing and some old Benjamin Britten masses.
- 7373737373 4y ago
  The ending of Mahler's Symphony No. 8 does it for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYM54vhLYTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYM54vhLYTU
- swat535 4y ago
  Beautiful, I also like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQadcm_dwEM&list=WL&index=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQadcm_dwEM&list=WL&index=10 - Libera
ruuda 4y ago
> Nightwish, Ghost Love Score, Wacken 2013 @ 9:22, affectionately nicknamed the "Floor-gasm" by fans. I saw Floor Jansen live last month. It was to a different song, but it was the first time ever that live music gave me goosebumps. And I've seen a lot of live music.
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  Floor is one of the best living vocalists and she is absolutely incredible live. Her cover of Phantom of the Opera with Hank Poort is absolutely divine. https://youtu.be/plCScjvDOJM https://youtu.be/plCScjvDOJM
iforgotpassword 4y ago
You need to be at least a little bit in the mood to give this effect a chance I guess. If you play the songs on your phone in between finishing breakfast and taking a dump, not much will happen. I know some of the songs on that list gave me that feeling in the past, now I only need to find some time to give the others a try.
revorad 4y ago
One of my favourites is Symptom of the universe by Black Sabbath. It's a classic Sabbath style tune with a hard hitting riff, solid drums, vocals and all that. The song seems to be winding down after the 4 minute mark with a standard fade out. But then something magical starts at 4:23. Gives me the chills every single time. https://youtu.be/4qDYa2aIBxw https://youtu.be/4qDYa2aIBxw
- nostrademons 4y ago
  It feels like this is an example of a song structure that frequently leads to frisson, where you have a standard pop song (verse-chorus, repeated about 3x, maybe a solo), a long instrumental part that feels like an outtro and often has irregular rhythms or key changes...and then the song reconvenes with a vocal part that's either a small variation on the original pop song or something totally different. Other examples of this pattern: Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody @ 3:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&t=150 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&t=150 Pink Floyd, Echoes @ 19:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBca3xf-j3o&t=840 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBca3xf-j3o&t=840 Pink Floyd, Atom Heart Mother @ 19:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fku7hi5kI-c&t=1080s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fku7hi5kI-c&t=1080s Ozzy Osbourne, No More Tears @ 4:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprfjfN5PRs&t=220 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprfjfN5PRs&t=220 Styx, Come Sail Away @ 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MAg_yWsq8&t=140s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MAg_yWsq8&t=140s Metallica, Master of Puppets @ 4:50 (mentioned in the article) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obBdrfUMzU&t=270s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obBdrfUMzU&t=270s Meatloaf, Bat out of Hell @ 7:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ES7ueI7p0&t=420s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ES7ueI7p0&t=420s Eric Clapton, Layla (original version) @ 3:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM&t=170s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM&t=170s Piano Guys ft. Taylor Swift & Coldplay, Love Story Meets Viva La Vida @ 3:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtVBJDPs6k&t=185s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtVBJDPs6k&t=185s
  - dham 4y ago
    This is a common thing in the Metalcore scene at least around 2005 - 2010. All That Remains, Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage, etc. It's still pretty common though. Very heavy music followed by super melodic choruses. Some songs even feature acoustic bridges and instrumentals. The contrast between verse and chorus really pays off the listener.
jcims 4y ago
Intro to Money for nothing gets me every time. When the chaos resolves to that crunchy riff i get chills. You need to listen to it where the drums are actually hitting you though.
- heleninboodler 4y ago
  If you like that, I suspect you'd enjoy Breaking Into Heaven[1] by The Stone Roses. It is a much longer walk (as in a few minutes long), but I highly recommend sitting through the chaos until it resolves, as you say. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nu5YLoaxHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nu5YLoaxHc
  - quesera 4y ago
    The last few minutes of I Am the Resurrection by The Stone Roses are pretty reliable for me.
mgdlbp 4y ago
I suppose that's also how songs wear out with time and/or repeated listens. Fittingly, any frisson seems to be the first to go. I'll contribute Stellenbosch University Choir's rendition of Say Something (by A Great Big World and Christina Aguilera). The arrangement capitalizes on the choir's dynamic range; by remaining relatively soft throughout, the sudden loud, tutti passages (1:38 & 3:51) have great effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdnPAIFn32A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdnPAIFn32A I find that choral performances of pop songs work really well, though they're regrettably but understandably rare. Interestingly, the focus on dynamics isn't present in the original, duet, or Pentatonix version of Say Something, so no frisson moments there. Someone listed Bohemian Rhapsody--can also compare with Stellenbosch's version: https://soundcloud.com/uschoirkoor/bohemian-rhapsody https://soundcloud.com/uschoirkoor/bohemian-rhapsody
- MeteorMarc 4y ago
  For me, this depends on the composer. E.g. Beethoven moments wear down quickly on repeated listening, while Bach's moments are more durable.
- mgdlbp 4y ago
  (10 days later...for the record): Turns out choral covers of pop songs are more common than I'd remembered. It's just that the most relevant search term is popchoir/pop choir, which wasn't obvious to me until I noticed it used in several video titles in sequence. These tend to be performed by less formal community choirs, which makes sense. And though many have mic setups, the point about choirs being difficult to record still applies. The interesting bit is that many European languages have converged on the same juxtaposition of the lexemes <pop><choir>, with the former consistently being a loanword from English. That is, there are lots of search results to be found by translating literally to terms like popchor (German), popkoor (Dutch), поп-хор (several Slavic languages), or popcoro (several Romance languages), plus hyphen and space variations.
sph 4y ago
> Expectancy violations (e.g., harmonic, rhythmic, and/or melodic violations) are strongly correlated to the onset of musical frisson Listening to Funkadelic's Maggot Brain album while under the influence of strong hallucinogens turned my regular frissons into full blown waves of pleasure in my body, which I remember were directly correlated to harmony, call-and-response and the play of consonance and dissonance that's so taken for granted in music. A dissonant chord would make me tense up, and the subsequent resolution would just feel like a blanket of warm pleasure rolling over me.
- divs1210 4y ago
  The first time I heard Maggot Brain, I was on hallucinogens. It was probably the most ecstatic I’ve ever felt in my entire life. I will never ever forget that day.
ordu 4y ago
> when I think of a couple moments in songs that always give me chills There are a couple of songs giving me chills when I'm singing them myself. Not every time, only when I'm in a appropriate mood. So expectation violation doesn't seem a cause. I don't know exactly what "contrasive valence" is, but it sounds more like it. I think my chills correlate with a qualitative change in an emotions. The short moment when one emotion is transformed into other induce frisson. Some change in a way how I interpret things, or how I feel about them, or both. It must correlate with some properties of a music, because it is one of the ways to change emotional content, but it is not the cause. Sometimes it is one of the causes in a chain of causes. Thinking about it, not every transformation of emotions gives me chills, sometimes I get tears in my eyes without any chills.
867-5309 4y ago
I never thought I'd see Nightwish on HN! they are amazing on the theme of Nordic chills, does anyone remember Árstíðir - Heyr himna smiður (Icelandic hymn) in train station? https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0
hydrogen7800 4y ago
Love seeing Dream Theater on HN. The first I heard of the term "frisson" was a discussion on the dream theater forums, and I was interested to see that some people don't experience it at all. Another DT song moment that gets me is in Scarred, climaxing with the lyric "Sometimes I feel I should face this alone, My soul exposed, It calms me to know that I won't".
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  Awake is one of DTs best album, I’m a huge fan of Jordan Rudess but listening to Awake there’s just that “something special” that Kevin Moore added to the band that is indescribable and unmatchable.
rubyist5eva 4y ago
Always fun to see Dream Theater brough up outside of fan forums, they’ve been my favorite band for over 20 years. A Change of Seasons is one of the greatest compositions of all time, in my opinion. Breaking All Illusions is another track that just gives “that feeling” though it’s a bit “musically dense” so it might take a few listens to really digest it for some. Disappear and The Spirit Carries On are also the only songs that have ever made me cry like a baby.
mike_red5hift 4y ago
Not even a Nightwish fan and just that little snippet of the song gave me chills. Like immediately. Maybe I'm a fan now? Thanks for that.
jasonvorhe 4y ago
Thanks for mentioning that Nightwish song. I hadn't listened to them in 18 years or so and I completely missed that they switched vocalists again. She's utterly amazing and her stage presence is formidable.
CoastalCoder 4y ago
I'm wondering if this counts as fission: East Village Opera Company, "When I am Laid in Earth Redux", the key shift(?) at 2:22.
- isaacimagine 4y ago
  Afaict, frission isn't a quality of music itself, but rather a chill-like response you may have while listening to certain songs. If you get frission while you listen to a song, then yes, it counts as frission to you. Edit: but yes, this key shift is rather beautiful and unexpected.
i_love_music 4y ago
+1 for Dream Theatre. Progressive metal is my number one source of Frisson. Brutal, heavy lows followed by soaring, melodic highs really does it for me. Before I learned of the name frisson, I always thought it was an adrenaline response.
cainxinth 4y ago
I'm not that into metal bands, but I figured I'd give your examples a listen. At first I didn't think much of it, but right at 9:22 when she hits that note... frisson!
corey_moncure 4y ago
I'll reply with the best examples I know. It's likely that this phenomenon is very personal, though. Carlo Gesualdo, Tenebrae Responsories. Three nights full of "Expectancy violations", unparalleled word painting, cross relations... definitely do reference the text in translation, because the word painting is a huge part of the beauty of the work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYMrQjbSak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYMrQjbSak (1 of 27) Bruckner, 4th symphony, finale. https://youtu.be/o0g82i784bw?t=4440 https://youtu.be/o0g82i784bw?t=4440 Bruckner, 8th symphony, finale. https://youtu.be/elVHvTrEM34?t=5610 https://youtu.be/elVHvTrEM34?t=5610 The 8th symphony is titanic, but worth it if you can set aside 2 hours. I like Celibidache's recordings best.
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krlx 4y ago
What a surprise reading your comment citing Nightwish! When I read the post headline, I immediately thought about the Nightwish song "Amaranth". It was really the most powerful, memorable and long lasting frisson I had ever experienced.
normac2 4y ago
One of the definitive examples has to be Radiohead's How to Disappear Completely [1]. 2 or 3 great frisson moments in there. The big one is toward the end, when the strings decay and smudge into atonal textures (very very heavily influenced by the 20th-century composer Penderecki) and then suddenly come back into focus as the song climaxes. It's just so incredibly well-done that I feel like even people who only listen to classical and jazz, or whatever, would have to acknowledge they really landed something there. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95w (4:25 would be a good place to start, but it's not nearly as good if you don't listen to the whole thing)
bemmu 4y ago
I notice that most frisson moments have a nostalgia connection for me, possibly unlocking the feeling I had experiencing that thing at a younger age when everything seemed more awesome. Some examples, each about 10 seconds before. https://youtu.be/ir5_fajcohM?t=252 https://youtu.be/ir5_fajcohM?t=252 (whole sequence has many, this one the biggest) https://youtu.be/t3mA6gwPbzw?t=42 https://youtu.be/t3mA6gwPbzw?t=42 https://youtu.be/7oelg2Ik8-M?t=35 https://youtu.be/7oelg2Ik8-M?t=35 High pitched vocals also often do it: https://youtu.be/bo_efYhYU2A?t=96 https://youtu.be/bo_efYhYU2A?t=96 Or amazing visuals paired with music: https://youtu.be/65zm8ozcWl4?t=120 https://youtu.be/65zm8ozcWl4?t=120 https://youtu.be/YFR-cJ4OM6M?t=422 https://youtu.be/YFR-cJ4OM6M?t=422
CosmicShadow 4y ago
I remember discovering this phenomenon in high school and my buddy dubbed it a metalgasm, when you feel the blood draining from your face, the goosebumps and all of those other feelings. A few years later I launched metalgasm.com (early 2000s), it is offline now, but it was a place to record your metalgasms or frissons (which I never had heard of until now) with timestamps so people could explore new metal and sort by sub-genre tag and know which songs are the most metalgasmic and which parts to look out for. There is so much to discover and sometimes you think you don't like a genre, but you just haven't found the right band or songs to get you started. I can tell you that Ghost Love Score had the most entries and Dream Theater made up most of the rest of the site. It's fun to look through what's still on the Internet Archive. Maybe I should rebuild and launch the site again for fun.
kaetemi 4y ago
That Nightwish video already gets into the flow half a minute before peaking at the time stamp. Very effective. The Dream Theater track does nothing for me, it sounds too clean cut. One I remember from my childhood that always did the trick is the Yu-Gi-Oh theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjdNz071O4E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjdNz071O4E.

fjfaase 4y ago

I too was thinking about Ghost Love Score. I get it especially when watching reaction videos when noticing that others are getting it. So, it might not just due to the music itself, but also be a social/emotional effect. I have literally have weekends where I only watched reaction videos and got it over and over again.

tremon 4y ago
My favourite moment in Ghost Love Score is much earlier in the song, at t=158, "into the blue memory". That transition and the melodic line following it ("still I write...everything I may ever be") is pure gold.

Doctor_Fegg 4y ago

And the greatest frisson moment in the whole of Anglican choral music: the Nunc Dimittis from Herbert Howells' Gloucester Service. Start listening at the beginning of the Gloria (well, listen to the whole thing if you can, but if you're pushed for time start here): https://youtu.be/4jmxJa4kMGM?t=131 https://youtu.be/4jmxJa4kMGM?t=131 The famous frisson moment in this recording is at 2m57: "as it was". Three reasons. One is the shifting chords in the organ part and the tenor/bass parts that lead up to it (the "expectancy violations"). The second is just the pure thrill of trebles soaring to a top A like that. And the third you only get if you listened to the Magnificat beforehand, which in its natural environment - a service of choral Evensong - you would: the "as it was" in the Gloria of the Nunc is _almost_ exactly the same as it was in the Mag... just a beat later. Pure "expectancy violation" again. Howells is full of these moments. The big, crunchy, discordant Amen in the Gloria of the Magdalen Service is my favourite - where the harmonies are offset by a crescendo/diminuendo/crescendo sequence in the choir, all on the same note.

tomcam 4y ago
That was electric. Thank you. I have also had a few of those experiences singing and some old Benjamin Britten masses.
7373737373 4y ago
The ending of Mahler's Symphony No. 8 does it for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYM54vhLYTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYM54vhLYTU
swat535 4y ago
Beautiful, I also like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQadcm_dwEM&list=WL&index=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQadcm_dwEM&list=WL&index=10 - Libera

ruuda 4y ago

> Nightwish, Ghost Love Score, Wacken 2013 @ 9:22, affectionately nicknamed the "Floor-gasm" by fans. I saw Floor Jansen live last month. It was to a different song, but it was the first time ever that live music gave me goosebumps. And I've seen a lot of live music.

rubyist5eva 4y ago
Floor is one of the best living vocalists and she is absolutely incredible live. Her cover of Phantom of the Opera with Hank Poort is absolutely divine. https://youtu.be/plCScjvDOJM https://youtu.be/plCScjvDOJM

iforgotpassword 4y ago

You need to be at least a little bit in the mood to give this effect a chance I guess. If you play the songs on your phone in between finishing breakfast and taking a dump, not much will happen. I know some of the songs on that list gave me that feeling in the past, now I only need to find some time to give the others a try.

revorad 4y ago

One of my favourites is Symptom of the universe by Black Sabbath. It's a classic Sabbath style tune with a hard hitting riff, solid drums, vocals and all that. The song seems to be winding down after the 4 minute mark with a standard fade out. But then something magical starts at 4:23. Gives me the chills every single time. https://youtu.be/4qDYa2aIBxw https://youtu.be/4qDYa2aIBxw

nostrademons 4y ago
It feels like this is an example of a song structure that frequently leads to frisson, where you have a standard pop song (verse-chorus, repeated about 3x, maybe a solo), a long instrumental part that feels like an outtro and often has irregular rhythms or key changes...and then the song reconvenes with a vocal part that's either a small variation on the original pop song or something totally different. Other examples of this pattern: Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody @ 3:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&t=150 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&t=150 Pink Floyd, Echoes @ 19:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBca3xf-j3o&t=840 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBca3xf-j3o&t=840 Pink Floyd, Atom Heart Mother @ 19:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fku7hi5kI-c&t=1080s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fku7hi5kI-c&t=1080s Ozzy Osbourne, No More Tears @ 4:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprfjfN5PRs&t=220 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprfjfN5PRs&t=220 Styx, Come Sail Away @ 2:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MAg_yWsq8&t=140s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MAg_yWsq8&t=140s Metallica, Master of Puppets @ 4:50 (mentioned in the article) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obBdrfUMzU&t=270s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obBdrfUMzU&t=270s Meatloaf, Bat out of Hell @ 7:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ES7ueI7p0&t=420s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ES7ueI7p0&t=420s Eric Clapton, Layla (original version) @ 3:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM&t=170s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM&t=170s Piano Guys ft. Taylor Swift & Coldplay, Love Story Meets Viva La Vida @ 3:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtVBJDPs6k&t=185s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXtVBJDPs6k&t=185s
- dham 4y ago
  This is a common thing in the Metalcore scene at least around 2005 - 2010. All That Remains, Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage, etc. It's still pretty common though. Very heavy music followed by super melodic choruses. Some songs even feature acoustic bridges and instrumentals. The contrast between verse and chorus really pays off the listener.

jcims 4y ago

Intro to Money for nothing gets me every time. When the chaos resolves to that crunchy riff i get chills. You need to listen to it where the drums are actually hitting you though.

heleninboodler 4y ago
If you like that, I suspect you'd enjoy Breaking Into Heaven[1] by The Stone Roses. It is a much longer walk (as in a few minutes long), but I highly recommend sitting through the chaos until it resolves, as you say. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nu5YLoaxHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nu5YLoaxHc
- quesera 4y ago
  The last few minutes of I Am the Resurrection by The Stone Roses are pretty reliable for me.

mgdlbp 4y ago

I suppose that's also how songs wear out with time and/or repeated listens. Fittingly, any frisson seems to be the first to go. I'll contribute Stellenbosch University Choir's rendition of Say Something (by A Great Big World and Christina Aguilera). The arrangement capitalizes on the choir's dynamic range; by remaining relatively soft throughout, the sudden loud, tutti passages (1:38 & 3:51) have great effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdnPAIFn32A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdnPAIFn32A I find that choral performances of pop songs work really well, though they're regrettably but understandably rare. Interestingly, the focus on dynamics isn't present in the original, duet, or Pentatonix version of Say Something, so no frisson moments there. Someone listed Bohemian Rhapsody--can also compare with Stellenbosch's version: https://soundcloud.com/uschoirkoor/bohemian-rhapsody https://soundcloud.com/uschoirkoor/bohemian-rhapsody

MeteorMarc 4y ago
For me, this depends on the composer. E.g. Beethoven moments wear down quickly on repeated listening, while Bach's moments are more durable.
mgdlbp 4y ago
(10 days later...for the record): Turns out choral covers of pop songs are more common than I'd remembered. It's just that the most relevant search term is popchoir/pop choir, which wasn't obvious to me until I noticed it used in several video titles in sequence. These tend to be performed by less formal community choirs, which makes sense. And though many have mic setups, the point about choirs being difficult to record still applies. The interesting bit is that many European languages have converged on the same juxtaposition of the lexemes <pop><choir>, with the former consistently being a loanword from English. That is, there are lots of search results to be found by translating literally to terms like popchor (German), popkoor (Dutch), поп-хор (several Slavic languages), or popcoro (several Romance languages), plus hyphen and space variations.

sph 4y ago

> Expectancy violations (e.g., harmonic, rhythmic, and/or melodic violations) are strongly correlated to the onset of musical frisson Listening to Funkadelic's Maggot Brain album while under the influence of strong hallucinogens turned my regular frissons into full blown waves of pleasure in my body, which I remember were directly correlated to harmony, call-and-response and the play of consonance and dissonance that's so taken for granted in music. A dissonant chord would make me tense up, and the subsequent resolution would just feel like a blanket of warm pleasure rolling over me.

divs1210 4y ago
The first time I heard Maggot Brain, I was on hallucinogens. It was probably the most ecstatic I’ve ever felt in my entire life. I will never ever forget that day.

ordu 4y ago

> when I think of a couple moments in songs that always give me chills There are a couple of songs giving me chills when I'm singing them myself. Not every time, only when I'm in a appropriate mood. So expectation violation doesn't seem a cause. I don't know exactly what "contrasive valence" is, but it sounds more like it. I think my chills correlate with a qualitative change in an emotions. The short moment when one emotion is transformed into other induce frisson. Some change in a way how I interpret things, or how I feel about them, or both. It must correlate with some properties of a music, because it is one of the ways to change emotional content, but it is not the cause. Sometimes it is one of the causes in a chain of causes. Thinking about it, not every transformation of emotions gives me chills, sometimes I get tears in my eyes without any chills.

867-5309 4y ago

I never thought I'd see Nightwish on HN! they are amazing on the theme of Nordic chills, does anyone remember Árstíðir - Heyr himna smiður (Icelandic hymn) in train station? https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0

hydrogen7800 4y ago

Love seeing Dream Theater on HN. The first I heard of the term "frisson" was a discussion on the dream theater forums, and I was interested to see that some people don't experience it at all. Another DT song moment that gets me is in Scarred, climaxing with the lyric "Sometimes I feel I should face this alone, My soul exposed, It calms me to know that I won't".

rubyist5eva 4y ago
Awake is one of DTs best album, I’m a huge fan of Jordan Rudess but listening to Awake there’s just that “something special” that Kevin Moore added to the band that is indescribable and unmatchable.

rubyist5eva 4y ago

Always fun to see Dream Theater brough up outside of fan forums, they’ve been my favorite band for over 20 years. A Change of Seasons is one of the greatest compositions of all time, in my opinion. Breaking All Illusions is another track that just gives “that feeling” though it’s a bit “musically dense” so it might take a few listens to really digest it for some. Disappear and The Spirit Carries On are also the only songs that have ever made me cry like a baby.

mike_red5hift 4y ago

Not even a Nightwish fan and just that little snippet of the song gave me chills. Like immediately. Maybe I'm a fan now? Thanks for that.

jasonvorhe 4y ago

Thanks for mentioning that Nightwish song. I hadn't listened to them in 18 years or so and I completely missed that they switched vocalists again. She's utterly amazing and her stage presence is formidable.

CoastalCoder 4y ago

I'm wondering if this counts as fission: East Village Opera Company, "When I am Laid in Earth Redux", the key shift(?) at 2:22.

isaacimagine 4y ago
Afaict, frission isn't a quality of music itself, but rather a chill-like response you may have while listening to certain songs. If you get frission while you listen to a song, then yes, it counts as frission to you. Edit: but yes, this key shift is rather beautiful and unexpected.

i_love_music 4y ago

+1 for Dream Theatre. Progressive metal is my number one source of Frisson. Brutal, heavy lows followed by soaring, melodic highs really does it for me. Before I learned of the name frisson, I always thought it was an adrenaline response.

cainxinth 4y ago

I'm not that into metal bands, but I figured I'd give your examples a listen. At first I didn't think much of it, but right at 9:22 when she hits that note... frisson!

corey_moncure 4y ago

I'll reply with the best examples I know. It's likely that this phenomenon is very personal, though. Carlo Gesualdo, Tenebrae Responsories. Three nights full of "Expectancy violations", unparalleled word painting, cross relations... definitely do reference the text in translation, because the word painting is a huge part of the beauty of the work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYMrQjbSak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYMrQjbSak (1 of 27) Bruckner, 4th symphony, finale. https://youtu.be/o0g82i784bw?t=4440 https://youtu.be/o0g82i784bw?t=4440 Bruckner, 8th symphony, finale. https://youtu.be/elVHvTrEM34?t=5610 https://youtu.be/elVHvTrEM34?t=5610 The 8th symphony is titanic, but worth it if you can set aside 2 hours. I like Celibidache's recordings best.

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krlx 4y ago

What a surprise reading your comment citing Nightwish! When I read the post headline, I immediately thought about the Nightwish song "Amaranth". It was really the most powerful, memorable and long lasting frisson I had ever experienced.

normac2 4y ago

One of the definitive examples has to be Radiohead's How to Disappear Completely [1]. 2 or 3 great frisson moments in there. The big one is toward the end, when the strings decay and smudge into atonal textures (very very heavily influenced by the 20th-century composer Penderecki) and then suddenly come back into focus as the song climaxes. It's just so incredibly well-done that I feel like even people who only listen to classical and jazz, or whatever, would have to acknowledge they really landed something there. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6HhdqA95w (4:25 would be a good place to start, but it's not nearly as good if you don't listen to the whole thing)

bemmu 4y ago

I notice that most frisson moments have a nostalgia connection for me, possibly unlocking the feeling I had experiencing that thing at a younger age when everything seemed more awesome. Some examples, each about 10 seconds before. https://youtu.be/ir5_fajcohM?t=252 https://youtu.be/ir5_fajcohM?t=252 (whole sequence has many, this one the biggest) https://youtu.be/t3mA6gwPbzw?t=42 https://youtu.be/t3mA6gwPbzw?t=42 https://youtu.be/7oelg2Ik8-M?t=35 https://youtu.be/7oelg2Ik8-M?t=35 High pitched vocals also often do it: https://youtu.be/bo_efYhYU2A?t=96 https://youtu.be/bo_efYhYU2A?t=96 Or amazing visuals paired with music: https://youtu.be/65zm8ozcWl4?t=120 https://youtu.be/65zm8ozcWl4?t=120 https://youtu.be/YFR-cJ4OM6M?t=422 https://youtu.be/YFR-cJ4OM6M?t=422

CosmicShadow 4y ago

I remember discovering this phenomenon in high school and my buddy dubbed it a metalgasm, when you feel the blood draining from your face, the goosebumps and all of those other feelings. A few years later I launched metalgasm.com (early 2000s), it is offline now, but it was a place to record your metalgasms or frissons (which I never had heard of until now) with timestamps so people could explore new metal and sort by sub-genre tag and know which songs are the most metalgasmic and which parts to look out for. There is so much to discover and sometimes you think you don't like a genre, but you just haven't found the right band or songs to get you started. I can tell you that Ghost Love Score had the most entries and Dream Theater made up most of the rest of the site. It's fun to look through what's still on the Internet Archive. Maybe I should rebuild and launch the site again for fun.

kaetemi 4y ago

That Nightwish video already gets into the flow half a minute before peaking at the time stamp. Very effective. The Dream Theater track does nothing for me, it sounds too clean cut. One I remember from my childhood that always did the trick is the Yu-Gi-Oh theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjdNz071O4E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjdNz071O4E.