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You can start with Atari-Go, thats pretty obvious for a while, and then 9x9 scoring is relatively easy. I think there are other reasons not to teach go than th

You can start with Atari-Go, thats pretty obvious for a while, and then 9x9 scoring is relatively easy. I think there are other reasons not to teach go than this one.

tasuki 4y ago
> I think there are other reasons not to teach go than this one. Mind elaborating? I'm very interested in this topic! I made a rather large survey mostly among the European go players as to why they play go, learning why one shouldn't play/learn/teach go (pick any) would be even more exciting!
- throw123123123 4y ago
  The worst thing that could happen is that they like the game and end up spending thousands of grueling work for a thankless game. Source: former professional-aspiring player
  - tasuki 4y ago
    I have probably spent thousands of hours playing/studying go. I did it because I enjoyed doing it, and enjoyed getting better. No regrets at all. I never had aspirations to become a professional player, which probably explains the difference between our experiences. I've met many hikaru-no-go-powered "professional-aspiring" players, most of whom didn't even achieve dan level. It seems a recipe for disappointment and bitterness.
    - v-erne 4y ago
      That is profound thruth to live by - the journay should be always more important than the destination. And it always amazes me how one little anime was able to promote go all around the world. I dont think that I know anyone who saw hikaru no go and then not started to learn go (myself included)
      - tasuki 4y ago
        I already knew how to play when watching Hikaru no Go, and am surprised there are people who didn't know how to play before and bothered watching nevertheless. Is the story that interesting even if one can't follow the games? [Edit: I guess the answer to my question is contained in your "dont think that I know anyone who saw hikaru no go and then not started to learn go"... though I wonder why people haven't just stopped watching!]
        v-erne 4y ago
        I believe Hikaru is really well done and if one can get through initial barier (its still anime - some people would never watch it event if their life depended on it) it is really engaging story (considering the main topic - a boardgame!)
    - throw123123123 4y ago
      Achieving a high level in this game requires thousands of hours of study. I did reach far in the ladder and could have gotten the actual pro title, albeit honorary like most westerners historically. Its just a time-sink with infinite competition. I dont want to teach it to my daughter.
      - tasuki 4y ago
        > could have gotten the actual pro title, albeit honorary Why didn't you? > Its just a time-sink with infinite competition. So why did you play? And why were you aspiring to be a professional?
        throw123123123 4y ago
        The life of a pro baduk player is pretty poor. Unless you are in the top you basically scrape by, and still need to train and think about the game 24/7. The majority of pro players live very frugally. A mediocre programmer works 1/5th and making 5x than a p90 pro player. I played seriously because I learned the game when i was very poor with no prospects, and then it latches on to your brain and you cant quit, like an addiction. I think I studied 8 hours a day while I was in highschool - during class, before and after school, weekends, vacations. Probably did 2~3 college degrees of time between 16-20 y-old, but the competition is simply brutal. You face kids that have 10,000 games before they turn 7. Again, the great danger of teaching go to kids is not that they dont care about it, its what happens if they do.
        tasuki 4y ago
        Yes, if you want career and money, playing go is not at all the easiest way to achieve it. I know several professional players personally, they don't seem less happy then the programmers (and yes, some are also programmers on the side to pay the bills, because as you write, yes, 1/5 the effort to make 5 times as much).

You can start with Atari-Go, thats pretty obvious for a while, and then 9x9 scoring is relatively easy. I think there are other reasons not to teach go than this one.

tasuki 4y ago

> I think there are other reasons not to teach go than this one. Mind elaborating? I'm very interested in this topic! I made a rather large survey mostly among the European go players as to why they play go, learning why one shouldn't play/learn/teach go (pick any) would be even more exciting!

throw123123123 4y ago
The worst thing that could happen is that they like the game and end up spending thousands of grueling work for a thankless game. Source: former professional-aspiring player
- tasuki 4y ago
  I have probably spent thousands of hours playing/studying go. I did it because I enjoyed doing it, and enjoyed getting better. No regrets at all. I never had aspirations to become a professional player, which probably explains the difference between our experiences. I've met many hikaru-no-go-powered "professional-aspiring" players, most of whom didn't even achieve dan level. It seems a recipe for disappointment and bitterness.
  - v-erne 4y ago
    That is profound thruth to live by - the journay should be always more important than the destination. And it always amazes me how one little anime was able to promote go all around the world. I dont think that I know anyone who saw hikaru no go and then not started to learn go (myself included)
    - tasuki 4y ago
      I already knew how to play when watching Hikaru no Go, and am surprised there are people who didn't know how to play before and bothered watching nevertheless. Is the story that interesting even if one can't follow the games? [Edit: I guess the answer to my question is contained in your "dont think that I know anyone who saw hikaru no go and then not started to learn go"... though I wonder why people haven't just stopped watching!]
      - v-erne 4y ago
        I believe Hikaru is really well done and if one can get through initial barier (its still anime - some people would never watch it event if their life depended on it) it is really engaging story (considering the main topic - a boardgame!)
  - throw123123123 4y ago
    Achieving a high level in this game requires thousands of hours of study. I did reach far in the ladder and could have gotten the actual pro title, albeit honorary like most westerners historically. Its just a time-sink with infinite competition. I dont want to teach it to my daughter.
    - tasuki 4y ago
      > could have gotten the actual pro title, albeit honorary Why didn't you? > Its just a time-sink with infinite competition. So why did you play? And why were you aspiring to be a professional?
      - throw123123123 4y ago
        The life of a pro baduk player is pretty poor. Unless you are in the top you basically scrape by, and still need to train and think about the game 24/7. The majority of pro players live very frugally. A mediocre programmer works 1/5th and making 5x than a p90 pro player. I played seriously because I learned the game when i was very poor with no prospects, and then it latches on to your brain and you cant quit, like an addiction. I think I studied 8 hours a day while I was in highschool - during class, before and after school, weekends, vacations. Probably did 2~3 college degrees of time between 16-20 y-old, but the competition is simply brutal. You face kids that have 10,000 games before they turn 7. Again, the great danger of teaching go to kids is not that they dont care about it, its what happens if they do.
        tasuki 4y ago
        Yes, if you want career and money, playing go is not at all the easiest way to achieve it. I know several professional players personally, they don't seem less happy then the programmers (and yes, some are also programmers on the side to pay the bills, because as you write, yes, 1/5 the effort to make 5 times as much).