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My time to shine, I guess. When I invented tagging it was as personal curation process, it was designed for people to recall things back to themselves later. I

by joshu 4y ago

My time to shine, I guess. When I invented tagging it was as personal curation process, it was designed for people to recall things back to themselves later. It was an organizational schema. It has mostly disappeared. What we have now is mostly tagging so OTHER people can find it. Which leads to all sorts of bad incentives. Nobody really built collaborative tagging but it needs a bunch more support than hashtag-this and hashtag-that to really work. For example, we showed people tags that they have used before so they were gently pushed to reuse tags for more organizational cohesiveness.

dyogenez 4y ago
Hey, and thanks for bringing the concept of tagging to the world! The idea that tags were meant for the individual makes a lot of sense. That’s how I used delicious. It was like my bookmarks folder, but links could be in multiple folders. When it comes to collaborative tagging, are there any successful examples that you’ve seen? Or sites you feel are using tags in interesting or surprisingly useful ways?
marban 4y ago
I was on a call with Science to potentially take over delicious but the momentum was super low back then and IIRC 99% of it was porn. Should have taken that poison pill in hindsight.
aaron695 4y ago
closedloop129 4y ago
>Nobody really built collaborative tagging Why don't you build it now, or at least finance somebody who does? Is it too risky to build because the big social networks will copy it and thus destroy any successful exit?
user_7832 4y ago
Thank you for making the concept of tags! Even though it's not perfect, I'm sure you've probably saved anywhere between thousands to perhaps millions of man hours globally (if not more)! That is an achievement very few people can claim.
gala8y 4y ago
Oh, I miss del.icio.us - UI / execution / social discovery, all those fantastic finds... :) I love tagging a lot, but the problem with tagging is that only a handful of software/services use look-up for tag1 AND tag2 (AND tag3...) filtering. It's such a simple concept to filter all used tags based on already selected if I'm making a query using tags. I can not understand how people don't get that without this tagging is more-or-less useless. Few months ago I discovered Bibsonomy [0,1], which is open-source, written in Java, but far beyond my abilities to deploy it. I've been using Obsidian for almost two years for my notes exclusively and it's a life changer, but devs do not seem to be interested in implementing this simple filtering mechanism in Tags Pane when working with tags [2], which defies the purpose of using tags extensively (like Del.icio.us allowed). [0] https://bibsonomy.org https://bibsonomy.org [1] https://bitbucket.org/bibsonomy/bibsonomy/src/master/ https://bitbucket.org/bibsonomy/bibsonomy/src/master/ [2] https://forum.obsidian.md/t/filter-tags-list-in-tag-pane-when-choosing-tags/12352 https://forum.obsidian.md/t/filter-tags-list-in-tag-pane-whe...

by joshu 4y ago

dyogenez 4y ago

Hey, and thanks for bringing the concept of tagging to the world! The idea that tags were meant for the individual makes a lot of sense. That’s how I used delicious. It was like my bookmarks folder, but links could be in multiple folders. When it comes to collaborative tagging, are there any successful examples that you’ve seen? Or sites you feel are using tags in interesting or surprisingly useful ways?

marban 4y ago

I was on a call with Science to potentially take over delicious but the momentum was super low back then and IIRC 99% of it was porn. Should have taken that poison pill in hindsight.

aaron695 4y ago

closedloop129 4y ago

>Nobody really built collaborative tagging Why don't you build it now, or at least finance somebody who does? Is it too risky to build because the big social networks will copy it and thus destroy any successful exit?

user_7832 4y ago

Thank you for making the concept of tags! Even though it's not perfect, I'm sure you've probably saved anywhere between thousands to perhaps millions of man hours globally (if not more)! That is an achievement very few people can claim.

gala8y 4y ago

Oh, I miss del.icio.us - UI / execution / social discovery, all those fantastic finds... :) I love tagging a lot, but the problem with tagging is that only a handful of software/services use look-up for tag1 AND tag2 (AND tag3...) filtering. It's such a simple concept to filter all used tags based on already selected if I'm making a query using tags. I can not understand how people don't get that without this tagging is more-or-less useless. Few months ago I discovered Bibsonomy [0,1], which is open-source, written in Java, but far beyond my abilities to deploy it. I've been using Obsidian for almost two years for my notes exclusively and it's a life changer, but devs do not seem to be interested in implementing this simple filtering mechanism in Tags Pane when working with tags [2], which defies the purpose of using tags extensively (like Del.icio.us allowed). [0] https://bibsonomy.org https://bibsonomy.org [1] https://bitbucket.org/bibsonomy/bibsonomy/src/master/ https://bitbucket.org/bibsonomy/bibsonomy/src/master/ [2] https://forum.obsidian.md/t/filter-tags-list-in-tag-pane-when-choosing-tags/12352 https://forum.obsidian.md/t/filter-tags-list-in-tag-pane-whe...