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This is from a Canadian perspective. I was in Canada for most of the restrictions, and it really opened my eyes to the dark side of human nature. As soon as it'

This is from a Canadian perspective. I was in Canada for most of the restrictions, and it really opened my eyes to the dark side of human nature. As soon as it's socially acceptable, people basically line up to hate their fellow humans, and to give unwavering support to "authorities". It's terrifying, but also gives some context to historical events that you wonder how they could have happened.

ASalazarMX 4y ago
Don't put it that way, people following authority and hating the rebels, as if common sense wasn't involved. Imagine if fish rained every Sunday, we would have to put them in the trash before they rot, or risk an outbreak. Then you have the few neighbors that just won't do it, using excuses like "that's what the liberals want you to do", "my property, my choice", "why? they aren't making me sick", "it's God's will", "I'm tired of cleaning", etc. You probably won't stay indifferent to those neighbors. Would you love or hate them? Would you encourage them to practice hygienic measures? It's the same situation, but since a virus cannot be seen, it's easier to ignore than rotting fish. And COVID wasn't active only on Sundays. The real lesson is how in the midst of the worst pandemic in decades, where most of us lost someone, or know someone who did, there were people who stubbornly refused to practice basic hygienic measures using the most selfish excuses. A global health issue was distorted from science into politics, it was one of the most shameful phenomena I've witnessed in my 50 years of existence.
- davidguetta 4y ago
  > The real lesson is how in the midst of the worst pandemic in decades, where most of us lost someone, or know someone who did, there were people who stubbornly refused to practice basic hygienic measures using the most selfish excuses. A global health issue was distorted from science into politics, it was one of the most shameful phenomena I've witnessed in my 50 years of existence Dont put it that way. Its how we blocked entire generations who had no risks or almost none, and ruined the economy to save old unproductive people who wouldnt just isolate themselves and use drive. The ability of people to put all responsinbility to "society" or anyone else than themselves is insane. Groupthink and tribalism driven by fear at its best
  - ASalazarMX 4y ago
    > Dont put it that way. Its how we blocked entire generations who had no risks or almost none, and ruined the economy to save old unproductive people who wouldnt just isolate themselves and use drive. I wish I knew what in your head made you form that mental atrocity. Old unproductive people? How many hard working health professionals died tending COVID patients? The economy was affected, but it's not like it was superhealthy to begin with. Also, most countries took COVID seriously only when it was widespread within themselves, too late to contain the damage. One percent died even with proper medical care, imagine how many would have died without access because the hospitals were full? Is preserving the Jenga economy tower worth a few million lives? Sooner or later another financial crisis will happen anyway. > The ability of people to put all responsinbility to "society" or anyone else than themselves is insane. Groupthink and tribalism driven by fear at its best That's called living in society. If you value your absolute freedom above the needs of your own society, start packing and get comfortable in a forest cave, because civilization is not what you want. If you want the advantages of society, you gotta give cooperation in return.
    - davidguetta 4y ago
      > That's called living in society. If you value your absolute freedom above the needs of your own society, start packing and get comfortable in a forest cave, because civilization is not what you want. If you want the advantages of society, you gotta give cooperation in return. You can say that to justify pretty much anything starting with all the random bullshit China does to its citizen. There's a middle ground to find, my point is that we were slightly to far down the fear road (and many people will die of the economic consequences actually).

ASalazarMX 4y ago

Don't put it that way, people following authority and hating the rebels, as if common sense wasn't involved. Imagine if fish rained every Sunday, we would have to put them in the trash before they rot, or risk an outbreak. Then you have the few neighbors that just won't do it, using excuses like "that's what the liberals want you to do", "my property, my choice", "why? they aren't making me sick", "it's God's will", "I'm tired of cleaning", etc. You probably won't stay indifferent to those neighbors. Would you love or hate them? Would you encourage them to practice hygienic measures? It's the same situation, but since a virus cannot be seen, it's easier to ignore than rotting fish. And COVID wasn't active only on Sundays. The real lesson is how in the midst of the worst pandemic in decades, where most of us lost someone, or know someone who did, there were people who stubbornly refused to practice basic hygienic measures using the most selfish excuses. A global health issue was distorted from science into politics, it was one of the most shameful phenomena I've witnessed in my 50 years of existence.

davidguetta 4y ago
> The real lesson is how in the midst of the worst pandemic in decades, where most of us lost someone, or know someone who did, there were people who stubbornly refused to practice basic hygienic measures using the most selfish excuses. A global health issue was distorted from science into politics, it was one of the most shameful phenomena I've witnessed in my 50 years of existence Dont put it that way. Its how we blocked entire generations who had no risks or almost none, and ruined the economy to save old unproductive people who wouldnt just isolate themselves and use drive. The ability of people to put all responsinbility to "society" or anyone else than themselves is insane. Groupthink and tribalism driven by fear at its best
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  > Dont put it that way. Its how we blocked entire generations who had no risks or almost none, and ruined the economy to save old unproductive people who wouldnt just isolate themselves and use drive. I wish I knew what in your head made you form that mental atrocity. Old unproductive people? How many hard working health professionals died tending COVID patients? The economy was affected, but it's not like it was superhealthy to begin with. Also, most countries took COVID seriously only when it was widespread within themselves, too late to contain the damage. One percent died even with proper medical care, imagine how many would have died without access because the hospitals were full? Is preserving the Jenga economy tower worth a few million lives? Sooner or later another financial crisis will happen anyway. > The ability of people to put all responsinbility to "society" or anyone else than themselves is insane. Groupthink and tribalism driven by fear at its best That's called living in society. If you value your absolute freedom above the needs of your own society, start packing and get comfortable in a forest cave, because civilization is not what you want. If you want the advantages of society, you gotta give cooperation in return.
  - davidguetta 4y ago
    > That's called living in society. If you value your absolute freedom above the needs of your own society, start packing and get comfortable in a forest cave, because civilization is not what you want. If you want the advantages of society, you gotta give cooperation in return. You can say that to justify pretty much anything starting with all the random bullshit China does to its citizen. There's a middle ground to find, my point is that we were slightly to far down the fear road (and many people will die of the economic consequences actually).