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I always wonder why helium-based airships never took off. Are there any technological limitations I'm not aware of? Seems to be such a simple and powerful idea

I always wonder why helium-based airships never took off. Are there any technological limitations I'm not aware of? Seems to be such a simple and powerful idea (even more now that oil prices are soaring).

sausagefeet 15y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq-N3_plNq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq-N3_plNq8
stevenrace 15y ago
There has been a sharp uptick in Helium consumption (He3) and a relatively small amount of reserves (a byproduct of Natural Gas drilling). This price instability can't help things.[0] The US Military, on the other hand, has been increasing it's use of blimps for surveillance and data transmission/networking. These are useful in places were line of sight isn't available (mountains of Afghanistan, for instance) between radio/mobil cellular base stations. [1] That and rising into the jet stream is a sorta abrupt introduction into 200knot winds. It would be disarming for most 'comercial passengers'. [0] http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/student-voices/the_rise_and_fall_of http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/student-voices/the_rise_... [1] http://www.navysbir.com/n11_2/N112-169.htm http://www.navysbir.com/n11_2/N112-169.htm
brudgers 15y ago
I suspect it is a factor of both relatively slow velocities, relatively low payload capacity, and substantial dependence on the weather (particularly with regard to takeoff and landing). Fuel costs are but one consideration, and the same reasons we don't transport much cargo by sail are probably applicable.
gvb 15y ago
The volume of helium needed to lift the weight is physically large. This makes blimps large which results in some significant disadvantages: * They are slow. In the beginning, they competed (effectively) against ships. "In July 1936, the airship also completed a record Atlantic double crossing in five days, 19 hours and 51 minutes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_129_Hindenburg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_129_Hindenburg Today, they have to compete against jet aircraft - not effective. * Given their immense volume and slow response times, they are very sensitive to wind taking off, landing, and when on the ground. This severely restricts their use under conditions that conventional aircraft have no problems handling.
astine 15y ago
They did. Ever hear of the Zeppelin? They took off all the time in their hey-day. It's a myth that they were filled with hydrogen; the Hindenburg was only had hydrogen in it because at the time helium was not available in Germany at the time because it was only produced in the United States and the US was refusing to export it. Anyway, the reason we don't see airships much anymore is because for most things heavier than air craft are more economical. A Boeing 747 is a third the size of a Zeppelin but much faster, more reliable, and with much more usable space and lifting capacity. There's really no economic reason that an Airship should be preferred.
- TeMPOraL 15y ago
  > There's really no economic reason that an Airship should be preferred. What about the fuel usage per unit of mass carried?
Detrus 15y ago
Airships in general didn't take off because of the high rate of accidents. Almost every major airship from 1900-1940 crashed after a few years of service. It's only now that we have better weather info and new materials that anyone is taking them seriously again.
andor 15y ago
The German company Cargolifter AG [0] was set up to develop a large airship with a freight capacity of 160 tons. This is a lot, 10 tons more than the freight version of the Airbus A380. The hangar they built for it is one of the largest buildings in the world and houses a water park. They went bankrupt during development. I've heard that they couldn't find a solution for controlling the buoyancy, which is critical when you need to drop 100+ tons of cargo and don't want your airship to lift off into space. There's a video on Youtube in which they use water to control buoyancy of a smaller balloon [1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargolifter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargolifter [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lralh-LwcJQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lralh-LwcJQ
bitemyapp 15y ago
Helium is irreplaceable as an additional reason.

sausagefeet 15y ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq-N3_plNq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq-N3_plNq8

stevenrace 15y ago

There has been a sharp uptick in Helium consumption (He3) and a relatively small amount of reserves (a byproduct of Natural Gas drilling). This price instability can't help things.[0] The US Military, on the other hand, has been increasing it's use of blimps for surveillance and data transmission/networking. These are useful in places were line of sight isn't available (mountains of Afghanistan, for instance) between radio/mobil cellular base stations. [1] That and rising into the jet stream is a sorta abrupt introduction into 200knot winds. It would be disarming for most 'comercial passengers'. [0] http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/student-voices/the_rise_and_fall_of http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/student-voices/the_rise_... [1] http://www.navysbir.com/n11_2/N112-169.htm http://www.navysbir.com/n11_2/N112-169.htm

brudgers 15y ago

I suspect it is a factor of both relatively slow velocities, relatively low payload capacity, and substantial dependence on the weather (particularly with regard to takeoff and landing). Fuel costs are but one consideration, and the same reasons we don't transport much cargo by sail are probably applicable.

gvb 15y ago

The volume of helium needed to lift the weight is physically large. This makes blimps large which results in some significant disadvantages: * They are slow. In the beginning, they competed (effectively) against ships. "In July 1936, the airship also completed a record Atlantic double crossing in five days, 19 hours and 51 minutes." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_129_Hindenburg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_129_Hindenburg Today, they have to compete against jet aircraft - not effective. * Given their immense volume and slow response times, they are very sensitive to wind taking off, landing, and when on the ground. This severely restricts their use under conditions that conventional aircraft have no problems handling.

astine 15y ago

They did. Ever hear of the Zeppelin? They took off all the time in their hey-day. It's a myth that they were filled with hydrogen; the Hindenburg was only had hydrogen in it because at the time helium was not available in Germany at the time because it was only produced in the United States and the US was refusing to export it. Anyway, the reason we don't see airships much anymore is because for most things heavier than air craft are more economical. A Boeing 747 is a third the size of a Zeppelin but much faster, more reliable, and with much more usable space and lifting capacity. There's really no economic reason that an Airship should be preferred.

TeMPOraL 15y ago
> There's really no economic reason that an Airship should be preferred. What about the fuel usage per unit of mass carried?

Detrus 15y ago

Airships in general didn't take off because of the high rate of accidents. Almost every major airship from 1900-1940 crashed after a few years of service. It's only now that we have better weather info and new materials that anyone is taking them seriously again.

andor 15y ago

The German company Cargolifter AG [0] was set up to develop a large airship with a freight capacity of 160 tons. This is a lot, 10 tons more than the freight version of the Airbus A380. The hangar they built for it is one of the largest buildings in the world and houses a water park. They went bankrupt during development. I've heard that they couldn't find a solution for controlling the buoyancy, which is critical when you need to drop 100+ tons of cargo and don't want your airship to lift off into space. There's a video on Youtube in which they use water to control buoyancy of a smaller balloon [1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargolifter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargolifter [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lralh-LwcJQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lralh-LwcJQ

bitemyapp 15y ago

Helium is irreplaceable as an additional reason.