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He committed statutory rape of his wife's sister

trasz 4y ago
You need to take the cultural aspect into account - we are talking about a country where to this day one can legally marry a 12 year old.
- lurquer 4y ago
  - trasz 4y ago
    I was only half joking: the culture of some of the southern states condones many things that don’t have place in civilized world. And back then it was way, way worse.
  - justbaker 4y ago
    The entire situation was cult fuckery.
- jprd 4y ago
  No. No we don't. There is no reason any culture can justify sexy anything with a _child_. Find me one example of where "the culture someone comes from" has a woman rolling like that with a boy who may not have even started puberty. 8,000 years ago, maybe that was kind normie for reasons other than shitty old men (lifespan, w/e), but that doesn't hold any water today. I'm not saying any of this is equal, but there's no way I roll up into Tehran eating pork rinds and doing cosplay of the Prophet either. This BS argument needs to be deaded.
  - justbaker 4y ago
    It’s not black and white; this was 80 years ago, and a 17 year old. Now, that is definitely stat rape. Then, it was the norm. You’re certainly right that holds no water today, but it’s not today.
    - jprd 4y ago
      Right. It was all OK back then (it really wasn't), so we should just shrug it off. I mean, Von Braun was only a Nazi because he wanted to play with rockets. We need to take all this into account. I in no way, wish to ever deny someone's scientific contributions. We can't deny the genius of MJ and Bowie, but we sure as hell can incorporate the whole person into their legacy while we're singing along.
      - justbaker 4y ago
        I wouldn’t say “it was okay back then”; 17 year olds today vs then is something that is night and day. Also The way I see it, differentiate a persons personal life from whatever contributions they have from their professional life. A good example is Michael Jackson. You can love his music and hate him as a person. So it’s more split the legacy. This also being said, I’d erase every pedo from the face of the earth given the chance.
        nsajko 4y ago
        AFAIK there is no indication that Michael Jackson ever did anything inappropriate towards the children he welcomed to his estate. He even won in court. And TBH I detest that you're sort of comparing Jackson to these Crowleyites.
        justbaker 4y ago
        Sorry, not directly comparing them. I’m only using that as an example to split the professional work / personal life.
  - evilDagmar 4y ago
    Don't engage in outrage inflation. The original point was about a 17-year old, and if you've got to condemn that from 80 years ago, you have to condemn pretty much everyone who lived during the middle ages because by that age most couples were already working on their second child.
nsajko 4y ago
This isn't a very good point. Firstly, the sister was 17, so the classification as statutory rape is quite arbitrary and specific to California. Secondly, this is the same woman who went on to rob Parsons of his life savings together with Hubbard (head of Scientology) and also founded Dianetics (the precursor to Scientology), again together with Hubbard. I could understand putting them all in the same rotten basket, as presumably all actors here were morally bankrupt, but making it seem like Parsons wronged Sara Northrup Hollister makes absolutely no sense. See Wikipedia for more, e.g [1]. As another commenter put it, "the whole situation was cult fuckery". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)

You need to take the cultural aspect into account - we are talking about a country where to this day one can legally marry a 12 year old.

lurquer 4y ago
- trasz 4y ago
  I was only half joking: the culture of some of the southern states condones many things that don’t have place in civilized world. And back then it was way, way worse.
- justbaker 4y ago
  The entire situation was cult fuckery.
jprd 4y ago
No. No we don't. There is no reason any culture can justify sexy anything with a _child_. Find me one example of where "the culture someone comes from" has a woman rolling like that with a boy who may not have even started puberty. 8,000 years ago, maybe that was kind normie for reasons other than shitty old men (lifespan, w/e), but that doesn't hold any water today. I'm not saying any of this is equal, but there's no way I roll up into Tehran eating pork rinds and doing cosplay of the Prophet either. This BS argument needs to be deaded.
- justbaker 4y ago
  It’s not black and white; this was 80 years ago, and a 17 year old. Now, that is definitely stat rape. Then, it was the norm. You’re certainly right that holds no water today, but it’s not today.
  - jprd 4y ago
    Right. It was all OK back then (it really wasn't), so we should just shrug it off. I mean, Von Braun was only a Nazi because he wanted to play with rockets. We need to take all this into account. I in no way, wish to ever deny someone's scientific contributions. We can't deny the genius of MJ and Bowie, but we sure as hell can incorporate the whole person into their legacy while we're singing along.
    - justbaker 4y ago
      I wouldn’t say “it was okay back then”; 17 year olds today vs then is something that is night and day. Also The way I see it, differentiate a persons personal life from whatever contributions they have from their professional life. A good example is Michael Jackson. You can love his music and hate him as a person. So it’s more split the legacy. This also being said, I’d erase every pedo from the face of the earth given the chance.
      - nsajko 4y ago
        AFAIK there is no indication that Michael Jackson ever did anything inappropriate towards the children he welcomed to his estate. He even won in court. And TBH I detest that you're sort of comparing Jackson to these Crowleyites.
        justbaker 4y ago
        Sorry, not directly comparing them. I’m only using that as an example to split the professional work / personal life.
- evilDagmar 4y ago
  Don't engage in outrage inflation. The original point was about a 17-year old, and if you've got to condemn that from 80 years ago, you have to condemn pretty much everyone who lived during the middle ages because by that age most couples were already working on their second child.

nsajko 4y ago

This isn't a very good point. Firstly, the sister was 17, so the classification as statutory rape is quite arbitrary and specific to California. Secondly, this is the same woman who went on to rob Parsons of his life savings together with Hubbard (head of Scientology) and also founded Dianetics (the precursor to Scientology), again together with Hubbard. I could understand putting them all in the same rotten basket, as presumably all actors here were morally bankrupt, but making it seem like Parsons wronged Sara Northrup Hollister makes absolutely no sense. See Wikipedia for more, e.g [1]. As another commenter put it, "the whole situation was cult fuckery". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)