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Occultist father of rocketry 'written out' of NASA's history

41 points by Anon84 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago
... probably got blown up by L. Ron Hubbard's followers.
jrootabega 4y ago
Is this page 2 of something? It seems like it's missing a beginning. I'm on mobile.
- marssaxman 4y ago
  It starts just as abruptly on my laptop. Not sure what the editor was thinking.
- nsajko 4y ago
  Yeah it is missing the beginning - the page is broken, but wasn't when this was first published. Here's an archive.org Wayback Machine link: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304121355/https://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-04/23/jpl-jack-parsons/viewall https://web.archive.org/web/20160304121355/https://www.wired...
trasz 4y ago
Yet another genius destroyed for not being a good Christian.
- IdEntities 4y ago
  Thelema is not some cute LARP for edgelords. NASA is writing Parsons out of their history because someone who adhered to a credo of "do what thou wilt" is embarrassing to have as a foundational figure in the organization.
  - trasz 4y ago
    How is it worse than a cult that employs terrorist attacks to enforce its views on infidels, like with abortion clinic bombings by Catholic extremists?
    - good-point-sir 4y ago
      The Catholics in your example think they're doing the right thing, the Thelemites know that they're doing the WRONG thing on purpose for any given occult operation. I am more knowledgeable on OTO, but Thelema falls into an area of clandestine Masonry in which all non-initiates are regarded as sub-human animals. The entire function of Crowley's work is to set changes into motion to create an theocratic occult elite totalitarian state, the "Age of Horus." The primary acts to bring about material change from mental will (aka magick) are all SEXUAL, the eucharist for the assemblies is derived of semen, menstrual blood, and fecal matter baked into wafers. It's hard to put metaphysical ideas into elevator pitch style explanation, but I assure you, those who work Crowley's programs are intentionally and knowingly doing awful things for selfish means in horrible ways that no sane person could dream of. Let's put it another way, if you knew Jimmy Saville, Jimmy Page, and various Danish nobility (see: Dutrox incident) had a secret society to commit sexual crimes in a ritualized fashion to bring about metaphysical changes, would that resemble anything you could remotely called "good"?
      - trasz 4y ago
        And in your opinion this petty bullshit is somehow worse than organized child abuse, discrimination and dehumanization of minorities and woman and straight out terrorism associated with a certain universally tolerated, and often widely privileged, church?
        IdEntities 4y ago
        Organized child abuse, racism, and misogyny are certainly Crowley's bread and butter as well, and I can only assume you skipped over or aren't aware of the Dutroux affair mentioned by the parent, which I'm assuming you would not dismiss as "petty," and goes far beyond any of the worst allegations I've heard leveled at the Catholic clergy. The simple and obvious conclusion here is that child abuse and malicious predatory behavior is bad whether it's coming from Crowleyites & Satanists or from the Catholic Church. Who knows, perhaps a not insignificant number of the latter are even inspired by and in league with the former.
- dwroberts 4y ago
  He committed statutory rape of his wife's sister
  - trasz 4y ago
    You need to take the cultural aspect into account - we are talking about a country where to this day one can legally marry a 12 year old.
    - lurquer 4y ago
      - trasz 4y ago
        I was only half joking: the culture of some of the southern states condones many things that don’t have place in civilized world. And back then it was way, way worse.
      - justbaker 4y ago
        The entire situation was cult fuckery.
    - jprd 4y ago
      No. No we don't. There is no reason any culture can justify sexy anything with a _child_. Find me one example of where "the culture someone comes from" has a woman rolling like that with a boy who may not have even started puberty. 8,000 years ago, maybe that was kind normie for reasons other than shitty old men (lifespan, w/e), but that doesn't hold any water today. I'm not saying any of this is equal, but there's no way I roll up into Tehran eating pork rinds and doing cosplay of the Prophet either. This BS argument needs to be deaded.
      - justbaker 4y ago
        It’s not black and white; this was 80 years ago, and a 17 year old. Now, that is definitely stat rape. Then, it was the norm. You’re certainly right that holds no water today, but it’s not today.
8bitsrule 4y ago
The 'JP' in JPL? (One wonders.) Another member of the Caltech 'suicide squad', Frank Malina [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina], was another of the Aerojet founders scrutinized for politics by the FBI. He decided to quit because of the weapons aspects and moved to France to join UNESCO. There he became a 'fugitive' in 1952. Unlike Parsons, though, he made it into the 'International Space Hall of Fame' in Alamagordo.
- trasz 4y ago
  See also Qian Xuesen for another example of a genius persecuted for his views (and probably also race, given KKK's involvement).

41 points by Anon84 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago

... probably got blown up by L. Ron Hubbard's followers.

jrootabega 4y ago

Is this page 2 of something? It seems like it's missing a beginning. I'm on mobile.

marssaxman 4y ago
It starts just as abruptly on my laptop. Not sure what the editor was thinking.
nsajko 4y ago
Yeah it is missing the beginning - the page is broken, but wasn't when this was first published. Here's an archive.org Wayback Machine link: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304121355/https://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-04/23/jpl-jack-parsons/viewall https://web.archive.org/web/20160304121355/https://www.wired...

trasz 4y ago

Yet another genius destroyed for not being a good Christian.

IdEntities 4y ago
Thelema is not some cute LARP for edgelords. NASA is writing Parsons out of their history because someone who adhered to a credo of "do what thou wilt" is embarrassing to have as a foundational figure in the organization.
- trasz 4y ago
  How is it worse than a cult that employs terrorist attacks to enforce its views on infidels, like with abortion clinic bombings by Catholic extremists?
  - good-point-sir 4y ago
    The Catholics in your example think they're doing the right thing, the Thelemites know that they're doing the WRONG thing on purpose for any given occult operation. I am more knowledgeable on OTO, but Thelema falls into an area of clandestine Masonry in which all non-initiates are regarded as sub-human animals. The entire function of Crowley's work is to set changes into motion to create an theocratic occult elite totalitarian state, the "Age of Horus." The primary acts to bring about material change from mental will (aka magick) are all SEXUAL, the eucharist for the assemblies is derived of semen, menstrual blood, and fecal matter baked into wafers. It's hard to put metaphysical ideas into elevator pitch style explanation, but I assure you, those who work Crowley's programs are intentionally and knowingly doing awful things for selfish means in horrible ways that no sane person could dream of. Let's put it another way, if you knew Jimmy Saville, Jimmy Page, and various Danish nobility (see: Dutrox incident) had a secret society to commit sexual crimes in a ritualized fashion to bring about metaphysical changes, would that resemble anything you could remotely called "good"?
    - trasz 4y ago
      And in your opinion this petty bullshit is somehow worse than organized child abuse, discrimination and dehumanization of minorities and woman and straight out terrorism associated with a certain universally tolerated, and often widely privileged, church?
      - IdEntities 4y ago
        Organized child abuse, racism, and misogyny are certainly Crowley's bread and butter as well, and I can only assume you skipped over or aren't aware of the Dutroux affair mentioned by the parent, which I'm assuming you would not dismiss as "petty," and goes far beyond any of the worst allegations I've heard leveled at the Catholic clergy. The simple and obvious conclusion here is that child abuse and malicious predatory behavior is bad whether it's coming from Crowleyites & Satanists or from the Catholic Church. Who knows, perhaps a not insignificant number of the latter are even inspired by and in league with the former.
dwroberts 4y ago
He committed statutory rape of his wife's sister
- trasz 4y ago
  You need to take the cultural aspect into account - we are talking about a country where to this day one can legally marry a 12 year old.
  - lurquer 4y ago
    - trasz 4y ago
      I was only half joking: the culture of some of the southern states condones many things that don’t have place in civilized world. And back then it was way, way worse.
    - justbaker 4y ago
      The entire situation was cult fuckery.
  - jprd 4y ago
    No. No we don't. There is no reason any culture can justify sexy anything with a _child_. Find me one example of where "the culture someone comes from" has a woman rolling like that with a boy who may not have even started puberty. 8,000 years ago, maybe that was kind normie for reasons other than shitty old men (lifespan, w/e), but that doesn't hold any water today. I'm not saying any of this is equal, but there's no way I roll up into Tehran eating pork rinds and doing cosplay of the Prophet either. This BS argument needs to be deaded.
    - justbaker 4y ago
      It’s not black and white; this was 80 years ago, and a 17 year old. Now, that is definitely stat rape. Then, it was the norm. You’re certainly right that holds no water today, but it’s not today.

8bitsrule 4y ago

The 'JP' in JPL? (One wonders.) Another member of the Caltech 'suicide squad', Frank Malina [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina], was another of the Aerojet founders scrutinized for politics by the FBI. He decided to quit because of the weapons aspects and moved to France to join UNESCO. There he became a 'fugitive' in 1952. Unlike Parsons, though, he made it into the 'International Space Hall of Fame' in Alamagordo.

trasz 4y ago
See also Qian Xuesen for another example of a genius persecuted for his views (and probably also race, given KKK's involvement).