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/whitehat is not a "complaint letter". It goes directly to the security team oncall, whose job is to keep users safe even if it means killing things written by

by aristus 15y ago

/whitehat is not a "complaint letter". It goes directly to the security team oncall, whose job is to keep users safe even if it means killing things written by other engineers at Facebook that had unintended consequences. (edit: removed snark)

ma2rten 15y ago
Well, what I am wondering is: is this actually an unintended consequence or a conscious choice that has been made?
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- orijing 15y ago
  A company doesn't have a single conscience. It may have been a conscious choice by an engineer, or it may have been an unintended consequence of some other code change. Either way, I highly doubt it involved the check-off from a director-level employee. If every decision had to get approval from the management team, then progress would grind to a halt, and Facebook would end up like Microsoft.
  - eric-hu 15y ago
    > A company doesn't have a single conscience. Insightful: while it's seemingly simple and obvious, everyone I know has fallen prey to the opposite belief, myself included.
  - usedtolurk 15y ago
    or Apple?
  - tripzilch 15y ago
    > A company doesn't have a single conscience. And because of that we should hold it with less responsibility than a single person? Even though it holds an order of magnitude more power than a single person? Yeah, how about, no. And about your other remark, that is nonsense. It is very possible to keep those checks to a reasonable level of responsibility and many corporations do so, with proper software engineering principles, without "turning into Microsoft". When dealing with people's private information, one should err on the side of caution, not on the side of $$$, and it is obvious which route facebook took. In fact, they are already in violation of several EU privacy laws, just because their privacy-pissing database has grown out of hand, they collect more data than they have the internal corporate infrastructure for to deal with this amount of private data of EU citizens in a legal manner in Europe. They went way overboard, maybe not in the US, but they are also incorporated in the EU and cannot oblige by our privacy laws because they collected too much data. As far as I'm concerned, Facebook is on the verge of criminal negligence as EU laws for citizen privacy are concerned. So personally, yeah, I think nothing wrong with headlines of "Facebook privacy fuckup", as long as they're behaving like that, singular conscience or not. That's why we have such laws, to keep corporations responsible.
    - orijing 15y ago
      No, I was simply offering a potential explanation for why things happen. Also, I see no need to respond to your hyperboles. I mean, "criminal negligence"? C'mon.

by aristus 15y ago

ma2rten 15y ago

Well, what I am wondering is: is this actually an unintended consequence or a conscious choice that has been made?

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orijing 15y ago
A company doesn't have a single conscience. It may have been a conscious choice by an engineer, or it may have been an unintended consequence of some other code change. Either way, I highly doubt it involved the check-off from a director-level employee. If every decision had to get approval from the management team, then progress would grind to a halt, and Facebook would end up like Microsoft.
- eric-hu 15y ago
  > A company doesn't have a single conscience. Insightful: while it's seemingly simple and obvious, everyone I know has fallen prey to the opposite belief, myself included.
- usedtolurk 15y ago
  or Apple?
- tripzilch 15y ago
  > A company doesn't have a single conscience. And because of that we should hold it with less responsibility than a single person? Even though it holds an order of magnitude more power than a single person? Yeah, how about, no. And about your other remark, that is nonsense. It is very possible to keep those checks to a reasonable level of responsibility and many corporations do so, with proper software engineering principles, without "turning into Microsoft". When dealing with people's private information, one should err on the side of caution, not on the side of $$$, and it is obvious which route facebook took. In fact, they are already in violation of several EU privacy laws, just because their privacy-pissing database has grown out of hand, they collect more data than they have the internal corporate infrastructure for to deal with this amount of private data of EU citizens in a legal manner in Europe. They went way overboard, maybe not in the US, but they are also incorporated in the EU and cannot oblige by our privacy laws because they collected too much data. As far as I'm concerned, Facebook is on the verge of criminal negligence as EU laws for citizen privacy are concerned. So personally, yeah, I think nothing wrong with headlines of "Facebook privacy fuckup", as long as they're behaving like that, singular conscience or not. That's why we have such laws, to keep corporations responsible.
  - orijing 15y ago
    No, I was simply offering a potential explanation for why things happen. Also, I see no need to respond to your hyperboles. I mean, "criminal negligence"? C'mon.