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I know, but I don’t care. I also believe that having children is deeply unethical given the state of the world. Birthing new humans into this dystopian hellscap

I know, but I don’t care. I also believe that having children is deeply unethical given the state of the world. Birthing new humans into this dystopian hellscape we find ourselves in is torture. Humans waste far too much of their time on unproductive persists like relationships and families. Nobody outside these structures cares what is achieved and rightfully so, human influenced by neurochemicals to influence behavior to spread genetic material, news at 11. Meanwhile some people are building things, yourself included, that have never existed before and push humanity forward.

thoms_a 4y ago
I know your line of reasoning is not popular, but I would like to add some nuance. The empirical reality of this situation is that societies directed towards the maximization of individual desires (or "rights") will tend to be in conflict with creation and sustenance of communal societies. As such, we're seeing the breakdown of relationships, marriages, communities and even nations via social atomization. This is the result of liberal philosophy followed to its logical conclusion. The individual reigns supreme, and thus the community suffers. Traditional societies throughout history had strategies for building families and maintaining communities, but the liberal West deems these anachronistic. We want to have our cake and eat it too, and we're learning this is simply not possible.
wnolens 4y ago
> Nobody outside these structures cares Oof. Is that how you determine what is worth doing? I think it's more accurate to say that nobody cares about anyone else OUTSIDE of personal relationships. > Meanwhile some people are building things, yourself included, that have never existed before and push humanity forward. Nah. We're just twiddling our fingers on keyboard until we die or have sufficient padding from the current economic climate. So SO much less worth doing than loving another person and providing the support for them to be their best self. Or raising a child to start with the knowledge and resources which took you a lifetime to learn the hard way. To be frank, it sounds like you deeply want to be loved by others and yet avoid the only way to get it. I'm sorry.

thoms_a 4y ago

I know your line of reasoning is not popular, but I would like to add some nuance. The empirical reality of this situation is that societies directed towards the maximization of individual desires (or "rights") will tend to be in conflict with creation and sustenance of communal societies. As such, we're seeing the breakdown of relationships, marriages, communities and even nations via social atomization. This is the result of liberal philosophy followed to its logical conclusion. The individual reigns supreme, and thus the community suffers. Traditional societies throughout history had strategies for building families and maintaining communities, but the liberal West deems these anachronistic. We want to have our cake and eat it too, and we're learning this is simply not possible.

wnolens 4y ago

> Nobody outside these structures cares Oof. Is that how you determine what is worth doing? I think it's more accurate to say that nobody cares about anyone else OUTSIDE of personal relationships. > Meanwhile some people are building things, yourself included, that have never existed before and push humanity forward. Nah. We're just twiddling our fingers on keyboard until we die or have sufficient padding from the current economic climate. So SO much less worth doing than loving another person and providing the support for them to be their best self. Or raising a child to start with the knowledge and resources which took you a lifetime to learn the hard way. To be frank, it sounds like you deeply want to be loved by others and yet avoid the only way to get it. I'm sorry.