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> you can't use virtualization features on Windows 10 Home edition Get the Pro edition then? What exactly is "common consumer use" of virtualization features?

by 323 4y ago

dymk 4y ago
Running a virtual machine. Something you could do on Windows 7 Home Premium, without having to purchase a "Pro" edition. My point is that they're slowly gating features behind their more Enterprise-y editions, which at some point won't be available to the general population. If they can force you to make a Microsoft account at some point, they will.
- emteycz 4y ago
  Wasn't the Home Premium for the same price as Pro is now?
  - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
    Home Premium is what came bundled with the computer that you bought at Best Buy/Walmart/wherever. You didn't need to pay for any upgrade at all, it was stock.
    - emteycz 4y ago
      I thought that was Home Basic. Only the better specced PCs came with Home Premium (and you paid for it - it is included in the price, you could have the same PC without an OS cheaper).
sp332 4y ago
The 22H2 release of Win11 requires an online account even for the Pro edition. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/windows-11s-first-yearly-update-is-almost-done-heres-what-is-and-isnt-part-of-it/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/windows-11s-first-ye...
- 323 4y ago
  Only for installation. Afterwards you can create and use it with a local account: > For those who want to use a local account, the best solution is to create a burner Microsoft account for use during setup and then to either create a new local user account or sign out of your Microsoft account once the OS is up and running. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/05/06/how-to-use-local-accounts-on-windows-11-version-22h2-devices/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/05/06/how-to-use-local-accounts-... If users hate this they can use Apple or Linux. But the vast majority want online accounts for data backup.
  - blep_ 4y ago
    > If users hate this they can use Apple or Linux. This is the "if you don't like one particular thing your country does you should move to a different country" argument with a couple of the words changed. Lots of people use applications for which there are only Windows versions. Switching operating systems is not the trivial thing you claim it is unless you only use a web browser.
    - mikae1 4y ago
      > Switching operating systems is not the trivial thing you claim it is unless you only use a web browser. And in the case of “use Apple” (macOS I guess), it's also quite costly as you'll have to buy a new computer.
- rootw0rm 4y ago
  I have an education N license that Microsoft gifted me...no online account BS required
  - genewitch 4y ago
    what's the "N" mean?
- easton 4y ago
  The “join domain” button still works in this build. Click Join Domain and it just has you create a local administrator account since it can’t handle joining a domain in OOBE (there’s a restart, and a lot of times the initial GPOs could interfere with the rest of the setup process).
hakfoo 4y ago
Well, the obvious one was when the did the "XP Mode" for compatibility purposes. I'd have expected to see a lot more along that theme by now. Windows's biggest opportunity and problem was always backwards compatibility, and the more hardware gets virtualization-ready, the easier it is to shift compatibility burdens to sealed-box VM images. I could imagine a future Windows that finally achieves the vision of "only modern apps and APIs" by packaging everything else into sealed VMs running a predictable steady-state "classic Windows" install.
- 323 4y ago
  Modern Windows, Home or Pro already runs under a hypervisor, it's called Core Isolation. > The entire idea of Core Isolation is that your OS will segregate critical core processes from the rest of the other normally running ones in order to defend against hostile or ill-natured software/driver or malware. You can think of it as a vault that only the allowed have access to, something that is not open to everyone. Windows achieves this feat by using its virtualization technology. https://feedthecuriosity.com/windows-os/what-is-core-isolation-and-memory-integrity-in-windows-11/ https://feedthecuriosity.com/windows-os/what-is-core-isolati...

> you can't use virtualization features on Windows 10 Home edition Get the Pro edition then? What exactly is "common consumer use" of virtualization features?

by 323 4y ago

> you can't use virtualization features on Windows 10 Home edition Get the Pro edition then? What exactly is "common consumer use" of virtualization features?

dymk 4y ago

Running a virtual machine. Something you could do on Windows 7 Home Premium, without having to purchase a "Pro" edition. My point is that they're slowly gating features behind their more Enterprise-y editions, which at some point won't be available to the general population. If they can force you to make a Microsoft account at some point, they will.

emteycz 4y ago
Wasn't the Home Premium for the same price as Pro is now?
- BenjiWiebe 4y ago
  Home Premium is what came bundled with the computer that you bought at Best Buy/Walmart/wherever. You didn't need to pay for any upgrade at all, it was stock.
  - emteycz 4y ago
    I thought that was Home Basic. Only the better specced PCs came with Home Premium (and you paid for it - it is included in the price, you could have the same PC without an OS cheaper).

sp332 4y ago

The 22H2 release of Win11 requires an online account even for the Pro edition. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/windows-11s-first-yearly-update-is-almost-done-heres-what-is-and-isnt-part-of-it/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/windows-11s-first-ye...

323 4y ago
Only for installation. Afterwards you can create and use it with a local account: > For those who want to use a local account, the best solution is to create a burner Microsoft account for use during setup and then to either create a new local user account or sign out of your Microsoft account once the OS is up and running. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/05/06/how-to-use-local-accounts-on-windows-11-version-22h2-devices/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/05/06/how-to-use-local-accounts-... If users hate this they can use Apple or Linux. But the vast majority want online accounts for data backup.
- blep_ 4y ago
  > If users hate this they can use Apple or Linux. This is the "if you don't like one particular thing your country does you should move to a different country" argument with a couple of the words changed. Lots of people use applications for which there are only Windows versions. Switching operating systems is not the trivial thing you claim it is unless you only use a web browser.
  - mikae1 4y ago
    > Switching operating systems is not the trivial thing you claim it is unless you only use a web browser. And in the case of “use Apple” (macOS I guess), it's also quite costly as you'll have to buy a new computer.
rootw0rm 4y ago
I have an education N license that Microsoft gifted me...no online account BS required
- genewitch 4y ago
  what's the "N" mean?
easton 4y ago
The “join domain” button still works in this build. Click Join Domain and it just has you create a local administrator account since it can’t handle joining a domain in OOBE (there’s a restart, and a lot of times the initial GPOs could interfere with the rest of the setup process).

hakfoo 4y ago

Well, the obvious one was when the did the "XP Mode" for compatibility purposes. I'd have expected to see a lot more along that theme by now. Windows's biggest opportunity and problem was always backwards compatibility, and the more hardware gets virtualization-ready, the easier it is to shift compatibility burdens to sealed-box VM images. I could imagine a future Windows that finally achieves the vision of "only modern apps and APIs" by packaging everything else into sealed VMs running a predictable steady-state "classic Windows" install.

323 4y ago
Modern Windows, Home or Pro already runs under a hypervisor, it's called Core Isolation. > The entire idea of Core Isolation is that your OS will segregate critical core processes from the rest of the other normally running ones in order to defend against hostile or ill-natured software/driver or malware. You can think of it as a vault that only the allowed have access to, something that is not open to everyone. Windows achieves this feat by using its virtualization technology. https://feedthecuriosity.com/windows-os/what-is-core-isolation-and-memory-integrity-in-windows-11/ https://feedthecuriosity.com/windows-os/what-is-core-isolati...