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Arch switched months ago, as well.

Mikeb85 4y ago
Ah nice. Not gonna lie, Arch isn't really on my radar. I just know Wayland/Pipewire (among other things) were developed by Red Hat employees.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  I've been recommending endeavourOS to people recently. Arch makes a lot of people go "wow" when they see how nice the AUR is.
  - eternityforest 4y ago
    I tried Manjaro in a VM and was pretty disappointed by AUR. The selection is only a little ahead of Debian's official core packages. Debian 11 and derivatives really have a lot. I also don't like how you have to compile your own AUR frontend. You would think that would be pre-included, since it seems to be one of the star attractions of Arch. I wasn't a fan of how long it takes to compile things. I also remember having to figure out dependencies manually, it doesn't just do it all for you like apt/dpkg. I don't fully trust it any more than random AppImages from GitHub releases, to be honest, since I've heard there has been malware in the past, and compiling yourself gives zero protection. Unless you are going to read through tens of thousands to millions of lines of code, you're still just trusting whoever put the package up there, and hoping you would have heard about it if there was a virus. I suspect not nearly as many people go around randomly reviewing code as some might like to think. It does work, and I can see the value if you want to use things that for whatever reason aren't in Debian. I actually kind of like the curation effect that Debian has though. If it's in the repos, it gives you a clue about what is popular enough that someone bothered maintaining it. If it's not in Debian and Fedora, it's probably more experimental than I'd like it to be.
marcthe12 4y ago
Arch never switched since doesn't enforce the default sound server. You can choose any unless dependencies force use to use one. The official arch installer even prompts the user to chose between pipewire and pulse on install.
- sam_lowry_ 4y ago
  I use ALSA with dmix plugin on ArchLinux and can not be happier. What's the use of a sound server for 99.99% of us?
  - tadfisher 4y ago
    Per-application volume, Bluetooth device support with automatic profile switching, headphone jack detection, and probably 5 other things I use daily but don't know about.
    - nsajko 4y ago
      > Per-application volume Why would I want per-app volume? Pretty sure all relevant apps have a setting for that. > headphone jack detection What do you mean by this? My headphone jack works just fine with just ALSA and no configuration. > probably 5 other things I use daily but don't know about Doubt.
    - v-yadli 4y ago
      Different effect chains for different profiles -- plugged in = transparent signal path; crappy laptop speaker = booster fx.
  - mlom 4y ago
    alsa alone works fine for me as well… a sound server would make sense to me if i did a lot of audio processing using a bunch of different applications, but how many people really do that anyway as opposed to just working in some overengineered DAW?
  - viraptor 4y ago
    Bluetooth profiles. Routing specific applications to their own outputs.

Ah nice. Not gonna lie, Arch isn't really on my radar. I just know Wayland/Pipewire (among other things) were developed by Red Hat employees.

aaomidi 4y ago
I've been recommending endeavourOS to people recently. Arch makes a lot of people go "wow" when they see how nice the AUR is.
- eternityforest 4y ago
  I tried Manjaro in a VM and was pretty disappointed by AUR. The selection is only a little ahead of Debian's official core packages. Debian 11 and derivatives really have a lot. I also don't like how you have to compile your own AUR frontend. You would think that would be pre-included, since it seems to be one of the star attractions of Arch. I wasn't a fan of how long it takes to compile things. I also remember having to figure out dependencies manually, it doesn't just do it all for you like apt/dpkg. I don't fully trust it any more than random AppImages from GitHub releases, to be honest, since I've heard there has been malware in the past, and compiling yourself gives zero protection. Unless you are going to read through tens of thousands to millions of lines of code, you're still just trusting whoever put the package up there, and hoping you would have heard about it if there was a virus. I suspect not nearly as many people go around randomly reviewing code as some might like to think. It does work, and I can see the value if you want to use things that for whatever reason aren't in Debian. I actually kind of like the curation effect that Debian has though. If it's in the repos, it gives you a clue about what is popular enough that someone bothered maintaining it. If it's not in Debian and Fedora, it's probably more experimental than I'd like it to be.

marcthe12 4y ago

Arch never switched since doesn't enforce the default sound server. You can choose any unless dependencies force use to use one. The official arch installer even prompts the user to chose between pipewire and pulse on install.

sam_lowry_ 4y ago
I use ALSA with dmix plugin on ArchLinux and can not be happier. What's the use of a sound server for 99.99% of us?
- tadfisher 4y ago
  Per-application volume, Bluetooth device support with automatic profile switching, headphone jack detection, and probably 5 other things I use daily but don't know about.
  - nsajko 4y ago
    > Per-application volume Why would I want per-app volume? Pretty sure all relevant apps have a setting for that. > headphone jack detection What do you mean by this? My headphone jack works just fine with just ALSA and no configuration. > probably 5 other things I use daily but don't know about Doubt.
  - v-yadli 4y ago
    Different effect chains for different profiles -- plugged in = transparent signal path; crappy laptop speaker = booster fx.
- mlom 4y ago
  alsa alone works fine for me as well… a sound server would make sense to me if i did a lot of audio processing using a bunch of different applications, but how many people really do that anyway as opposed to just working in some overengineered DAW?
- viraptor 4y ago
  Bluetooth profiles. Routing specific applications to their own outputs.