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What is a fact is that Ukraine is caught between the geo-politics of US and Russia because of incompetent Ukrainian political leadership. Unlike the Ukranian an

What is a fact is that Ukraine is caught between the geo-politics of US and Russia because of incompetent Ukrainian political leadership. Unlike the Ukranian and NATO propaganda that tries to portray the current Ukrainian President as a hero, anyone who has a good grasp of politics can see that the man is clearly politically incompetent. He is foolish enough to believe that he can stay in power and derive political mileage by siding with one power while openly snubbing another (clearly showing no understanding of geo-politics and spheres of influence and their own standing in the world order). While Biden and Putin's ego in the conflict are understandable because of their superpower rivalry, it is incredibly sad that the amateur politics of the current Ukranian leadership has plunged the country into such a disaster. Ukraine is just another Iraq or Afghanistan because of similar incompetent and selfish leadership who care more about politics than the suffering of their fellow citizens. I have no doubt that by the time the conflict ends, US and Russia would have balkanised Ukraine, and the war will turn into a stalemate prolonged low-intensity conflict with proxy battles between the superpowers in this region. Both Russia and US want to prolong the battle, as it is in their interest to do so, and the incompetent Ukranian leadership is totally blind to this.

gus_massa 4y ago
> He is foolish enough to believe that he can stay in power and derive political mileage by siding with one power while openly snubbing another I think he needs weapons but he has no money, so he is running the biggest tv donation marathon ever.
teh64 4y ago
You make it sound that the "suffering of their fellow citizens" is somehow the fault of Ukraine's leaders, and they should just surrender to Russia's interests, which would somehow would end the suffering? Also the "snubbing another", i.e. Russia is quite the victim-blaming. Ukraine snubs Russia, which it has the right to do, therefore Russia is allowed to invade? Also Iraq and Afghanistan were attacked by the US, which according to your words means the leadership there should have just surrendered to the imperialist USA instead, instead of caring about "politics".
- webmobdev 4y ago
  > You make it sound that the "suffering of their fellow citizens" is somehow the fault of Ukraine's leaders Yes, it is, obviously! India was once the wealthiest country in the world. It was then conquered by the British who ruled over them for 300+ years to become one of the poorest country in the world by the time the British left. Why? Weak, incompetent leadership that lacked vision. Incompetent politicians ignorantly or deliberately create suffering for their country. This war happened because of the political incompetence of the current Ukrainian leadership, and perhaps even because of their own selfish ambition to cement their political positions. > ... and they should just surrender to Russia's interests, which would somehow would end the suffering? Temporarily, if need be. But don't consider it as a surrender but a strategic retreat. International pressure against Russia can be diplomatically used to soften some of the demands they make, but yes, Ukraine will have to yield more. And whether the suffering ends really depends on the kind of leadership Ukraine's politician are capable of. Right now, Russia is winning the war (it is clear that they are not looking to occupy all of Ukraine and are willing to carve up the country in the long term. They are selectively targeting and occupying areas of Ukraine they consider necessary to protect its strategic interest, in case whatever remains of Ukraine after the war does manage to join NATO in the distant future). > Ukraine snubs Russia, which it has the right to do, therefore Russia is allowed to invade? It's the reality of the world order the super-powers have created for themselves. Yes, it is unfair. As for Iraq or Afghanistan, the point was that they caught the interest of the superpowers, but their political leadership was politically incompetent to deal with them appropriately and couldn't protect their own country's interest. Leaders of both nation snubbed the superpowers. And look at them now. That's what the Americans and Russians will do to Ukraine too, unless Ukrainian politicians understand and accept the reality of their own standing in the world order.
kcb 4y ago
> and the war will turn into a stalemate prolonged low-intensity conflict with proxy battles between the superpowers in this region. You've predicted 2014.

gus_massa 4y ago

> He is foolish enough to believe that he can stay in power and derive political mileage by siding with one power while openly snubbing another I think he needs weapons but he has no money, so he is running the biggest tv donation marathon ever.

teh64 4y ago

You make it sound that the "suffering of their fellow citizens" is somehow the fault of Ukraine's leaders, and they should just surrender to Russia's interests, which would somehow would end the suffering? Also the "snubbing another", i.e. Russia is quite the victim-blaming. Ukraine snubs Russia, which it has the right to do, therefore Russia is allowed to invade? Also Iraq and Afghanistan were attacked by the US, which according to your words means the leadership there should have just surrendered to the imperialist USA instead, instead of caring about "politics".

webmobdev 4y ago
> You make it sound that the "suffering of their fellow citizens" is somehow the fault of Ukraine's leaders Yes, it is, obviously! India was once the wealthiest country in the world. It was then conquered by the British who ruled over them for 300+ years to become one of the poorest country in the world by the time the British left. Why? Weak, incompetent leadership that lacked vision. Incompetent politicians ignorantly or deliberately create suffering for their country. This war happened because of the political incompetence of the current Ukrainian leadership, and perhaps even because of their own selfish ambition to cement their political positions. > ... and they should just surrender to Russia's interests, which would somehow would end the suffering? Temporarily, if need be. But don't consider it as a surrender but a strategic retreat. International pressure against Russia can be diplomatically used to soften some of the demands they make, but yes, Ukraine will have to yield more. And whether the suffering ends really depends on the kind of leadership Ukraine's politician are capable of. Right now, Russia is winning the war (it is clear that they are not looking to occupy all of Ukraine and are willing to carve up the country in the long term. They are selectively targeting and occupying areas of Ukraine they consider necessary to protect its strategic interest, in case whatever remains of Ukraine after the war does manage to join NATO in the distant future). > Ukraine snubs Russia, which it has the right to do, therefore Russia is allowed to invade? It's the reality of the world order the super-powers have created for themselves. Yes, it is unfair. As for Iraq or Afghanistan, the point was that they caught the interest of the superpowers, but their political leadership was politically incompetent to deal with them appropriately and couldn't protect their own country's interest. Leaders of both nation snubbed the superpowers. And look at them now. That's what the Americans and Russians will do to Ukraine too, unless Ukrainian politicians understand and accept the reality of their own standing in the world order.

kcb 4y ago

> and the war will turn into a stalemate prolonged low-intensity conflict with proxy battles between the superpowers in this region. You've predicted 2014.