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I feel you, I just don’t think it’s limited to this one issue. I too strongly identify with most, perhaps all of the left’s causes: universal human rights, figh

I feel you, I just don’t think it’s limited to this one issue. I too strongly identify with most, perhaps all of the left’s causes: universal human rights, fighting world poverty, peace, protecting the climate. The only problem is, the amount of intellectual laziness displayed by some of the louder advocates of that side political spectrum annoys me beyond belief. For those people, policies seem to be accepted or rejected purely on gut feel and symbolics, not honest analysis of the consequences or even whether they would actually help achieve the purported goal. I can’t be the only one who feels that way, so if there’s an organized “rational left” movement somewhere, please sign me up.

h2odragon 4y ago
> if there’s an organized “rational left” movement They call those people "radical right wing extremists" and "Nazis" You'll have to get out of the "left" far enough to see the rest of the spectrum first. That's hard right now.
- codeflo 4y ago
  I’m not sure what you’re suggesting here, but there’s no way to confuse the side of the political spectrum that actually cares about all human suffering with the one that cynically doesn’t.
  - h2odragon 4y ago
    I am suggesting that the political spectrum is not just "the left, which cares about human suffering," and "the right, which does not". Or maybe I'm just nuts and there's no one else that thinks individuals should have agency to decide whether they're suffering or how that suffering should be alleviated.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      This is just question begging. You're assuming that they don't, which is false.
teh64 4y ago
As someone on the left, I think the big problem is the difference between some online leftists and "real-world" leftists, who fight for the things you mentioned, but don't spend time shitposting on twitter.
- codeflo 4y ago
  I certainly found it bleeds over into real life, but still, fair point.

h2odragon 4y ago

> if there’s an organized “rational left” movement They call those people "radical right wing extremists" and "Nazis" You'll have to get out of the "left" far enough to see the rest of the spectrum first. That's hard right now.

codeflo 4y ago
I’m not sure what you’re suggesting here, but there’s no way to confuse the side of the political spectrum that actually cares about all human suffering with the one that cynically doesn’t.
- h2odragon 4y ago
  I am suggesting that the political spectrum is not just "the left, which cares about human suffering," and "the right, which does not". Or maybe I'm just nuts and there's no one else that thinks individuals should have agency to decide whether they're suffering or how that suffering should be alleviated.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    This is just question begging. You're assuming that they don't, which is false.

teh64 4y ago

As someone on the left, I think the big problem is the difference between some online leftists and "real-world" leftists, who fight for the things you mentioned, but don't spend time shitposting on twitter.

codeflo 4y ago
I certainly found it bleeds over into real life, but still, fair point.