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So your big criticisim of Nehemiah is that he is 1. He is a weirdo? 2. I can list more names who think as I do than I can count to the contrary?

tptacek 4y ago
No, I think my criticism has more to do with the fact that Adams felt like the antebellum south was much to be admired for keeping its negroes off the street at night, much as advocates for the south apparently (here's those pesky historians again) were happy to point out the low rates of rape and sexual assault against white women in the south --- who, after all, would risk imprisonment assaulting a white woman, when there were so many Black slaves that could be raped without consequence. Family stability. Alabama forbade the sale of enslaved children without their mother --- until they reached 5 years of age. Nehemiah Adams? Really? Gross.
- piethesailorman 4y ago
  - tptacek 4y ago
    It happened so often that Alabama had a law forbidding the sale of children before the age of 5.
    - piethesailorman 4y ago
      Give me a literal number. It's a Class B misdemeanor to sell, barter, or offer the fur of a domestic dog or cat. Does that happen regularly? Your conflating that it happened. A law was put in the books. And so it must happen every day? Or maybe it happens enough to make you ucomfortable? I agreed that it happened. I nnever said that its not possible it happened multiple times. Your implicitly suggesting that this was a regular and normal occurance. Show me litteral numbers
      - tptacek 4y ago
        Unfortunately, hard numbers are impossible to quantify, although rough estimates can be made based on what records do exist, as well as memoirs, diaries, and other such sources. Much of the most compelling evidence comes from recollections offered after slavery, when the formerly enslaved were able to give some voice. In Mississippi, for example, former enslaved persons registering marriages with the Union authorities in 1864-65 provides information to the clergy about their previous marital status. Over 8,000 black persons registered marriages in the period, and 17.4 percent of them included that they had been married before, and had it broken up by sale. Specifically of those who had been previously married, 40.8 percent stated that force has been the reason for its end. Other similar records bear out similar numbers, reflecting roughly ⅓ of enslaved marriages ended forcibly by white owners breaking apart the couple. But sure. Family stability. A virtue of slavery.
        piethesailorman 4y ago
        nl 4y ago
        You realise that single parenthood is a choice (I'm a single parent by choice), whereas having your family separated under slavery is not, right? The comparison should be prevalence of kidnapping in modern times vs family separation under slavery.
        piethesailorman 4y ago
        An interesting point that makes me stpo and think for a moment However, are you saying all single parents choose to be single parents? Do you speak for all single parents? My mother left my father to handle myself and siblings. I can tell you he didnt choose to be left behind.
        piethesailorman 4y ago
        Didnt mean to send yet. Your last point is excellent though! I agree
- piethesailorman 4y ago
  - tptacek 4y ago
    ... of white slave owners raping Black slaves? That's your comeback? Are you sure you want to keep talking about this?
    - piethesailorman 4y ago

tptacek 4y ago

No, I think my criticism has more to do with the fact that Adams felt like the antebellum south was much to be admired for keeping its negroes off the street at night, much as advocates for the south apparently (here's those pesky historians again) were happy to point out the low rates of rape and sexual assault against white women in the south --- who, after all, would risk imprisonment assaulting a white woman, when there were so many Black slaves that could be raped without consequence. Family stability. Alabama forbade the sale of enslaved children without their mother --- until they reached 5 years of age. Nehemiah Adams? Really? Gross.

piethesailorman 4y ago
- tptacek 4y ago
  It happened so often that Alabama had a law forbidding the sale of children before the age of 5.
  - piethesailorman 4y ago
    Give me a literal number. It's a Class B misdemeanor to sell, barter, or offer the fur of a domestic dog or cat. Does that happen regularly? Your conflating that it happened. A law was put in the books. And so it must happen every day? Or maybe it happens enough to make you ucomfortable? I agreed that it happened. I nnever said that its not possible it happened multiple times. Your implicitly suggesting that this was a regular and normal occurance. Show me litteral numbers
    - tptacek 4y ago
      Unfortunately, hard numbers are impossible to quantify, although rough estimates can be made based on what records do exist, as well as memoirs, diaries, and other such sources. Much of the most compelling evidence comes from recollections offered after slavery, when the formerly enslaved were able to give some voice. In Mississippi, for example, former enslaved persons registering marriages with the Union authorities in 1864-65 provides information to the clergy about their previous marital status. Over 8,000 black persons registered marriages in the period, and 17.4 percent of them included that they had been married before, and had it broken up by sale. Specifically of those who had been previously married, 40.8 percent stated that force has been the reason for its end. Other similar records bear out similar numbers, reflecting roughly ⅓ of enslaved marriages ended forcibly by white owners breaking apart the couple. But sure. Family stability. A virtue of slavery.
      - piethesailorman 4y ago
        nl 4y ago
        You realise that single parenthood is a choice (I'm a single parent by choice), whereas having your family separated under slavery is not, right? The comparison should be prevalence of kidnapping in modern times vs family separation under slavery.
        piethesailorman 4y ago
        An interesting point that makes me stpo and think for a moment However, are you saying all single parents choose to be single parents? Do you speak for all single parents? My mother left my father to handle myself and siblings. I can tell you he didnt choose to be left behind.
        piethesailorman 4y ago
        Didnt mean to send yet. Your last point is excellent though! I agree
piethesailorman 4y ago
- tptacek 4y ago
  ... of white slave owners raping Black slaves? That's your comeback? Are you sure you want to keep talking about this?
  - piethesailorman 4y ago