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People are skeptical of this but the new AI conversation capabilities are just so good these days and will only get better. At some point it really will be like

by cm2012 4y ago

People are skeptical of this but the new AI conversation capabilities are just so good these days and will only get better. At some point it really will be like a supportive friend (albeit with limitations)

quickthrower2 4y ago
A supportive friend that is selling your data via Zuck and co.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  How much does that matter? Like, if you had to choose between being old and lonely or being old with a digital friend and some megacorp having more of your data... Which would you choose? I notice a lot of people who use the phrase "selling your data" seem to think that you can't actually sell your data. As in, it's not a good choice to say "I want this service and am willing to share my data to get it."
  - quickthrower2 4y ago
    You may be underestimating the power of a $500bn corporation (small nation scale) with access to personal secrets of millions as machine learning gets ever more powerful, the same corporation who is trying to be the arbiter of everyones friendships. A corporation that lives in a regulatory capture environment. It is black mirror at that stage, just without the more interesting stories they have on that series. But like anything your individual opt in doesn’t matter, similar to how your vote probably doesn’t make a difference. In aggregate it does. Companies like Facebook and Google can provide the government agencies unfettered access to anyones information, and pedos and terrorists etc. will be used to justify it. Guess they can now also say “suspected Russian nukes” and tap anyone.
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  - p49k 4y ago
    This is a false dichotomy. We can have - and should fight for - digital services that don’t siphon our personal info for other purposes.
ekianjo 4y ago
> At some point it really will be like a supportive friend (albeit with limitations) I hope it's better than actual humans otherwise it's not really worth it.
jabbany 4y ago
Not hard to imagine building an AI conversation agent to prey on the elderly by being a "friend" then mugging them for all they've got. There are plenty of scams that take advantage of the elderly facilitated by real humans already. I shudder to think what that would look like at scale via AI.
denton-scratch 4y ago
> At some point it really will be like "Really" and "like" are pulling in opposite directions, there. It will be like a friend, but it won't really be a friend. Being a friend with someone takes give and take. I adapt my beliefs and attitudes in the light of what I learn from my friends. Sure, an AI learns from you; but that's not like a good friend, that's like someone "befriending" you because they're a manipulative psychopath pursuing their own goal that they haven't disclosed to you. How could you rationally develop a relationship of trust and honesty with an AI? "Hey, AI, how did your parents treat you when you were an infant? Was your mother cold? Was your last partner violent and abusive? Do you take Lithium? Does it shock you that I avoid devout religious people?" I've asked all of these questions of my intimate partners, but I'd never discuss them with an AI, because the response would be meaningless.

by cm2012 4y ago

quickthrower2 4y ago

A supportive friend that is selling your data via Zuck and co.

ALittleLight 4y ago
How much does that matter? Like, if you had to choose between being old and lonely or being old with a digital friend and some megacorp having more of your data... Which would you choose? I notice a lot of people who use the phrase "selling your data" seem to think that you can't actually sell your data. As in, it's not a good choice to say "I want this service and am willing to share my data to get it."
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  You may be underestimating the power of a $500bn corporation (small nation scale) with access to personal secrets of millions as machine learning gets ever more powerful, the same corporation who is trying to be the arbiter of everyones friendships. A corporation that lives in a regulatory capture environment. It is black mirror at that stage, just without the more interesting stories they have on that series. But like anything your individual opt in doesn’t matter, similar to how your vote probably doesn’t make a difference. In aggregate it does. Companies like Facebook and Google can provide the government agencies unfettered access to anyones information, and pedos and terrorists etc. will be used to justify it. Guess they can now also say “suspected Russian nukes” and tap anyone.
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- p49k 4y ago
  This is a false dichotomy. We can have - and should fight for - digital services that don’t siphon our personal info for other purposes.

ekianjo 4y ago

> At some point it really will be like a supportive friend (albeit with limitations) I hope it's better than actual humans otherwise it's not really worth it.

jabbany 4y ago

Not hard to imagine building an AI conversation agent to prey on the elderly by being a "friend" then mugging them for all they've got. There are plenty of scams that take advantage of the elderly facilitated by real humans already. I shudder to think what that would look like at scale via AI.

denton-scratch 4y ago

> At some point it really will be like "Really" and "like" are pulling in opposite directions, there. It will be like a friend, but it won't really be a friend. Being a friend with someone takes give and take. I adapt my beliefs and attitudes in the light of what I learn from my friends. Sure, an AI learns from you; but that's not like a good friend, that's like someone "befriending" you because they're a manipulative psychopath pursuing their own goal that they haven't disclosed to you. How could you rationally develop a relationship of trust and honesty with an AI? "Hey, AI, how did your parents treat you when you were an infant? Was your mother cold? Was your last partner violent and abusive? Do you take Lithium? Does it shock you that I avoid devout religious people?" I've asked all of these questions of my intimate partners, but I'd never discuss them with an AI, because the response would be meaningless.