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You going to use iron bags?? Iron bottles??

robonerd 4y ago
I mean, steel wire baskets are a thing, but I prefer a canvas bag. Glass is better for bottles and can be reusable, not merely recyclable.
- Cerium 4y ago
  I dream of a reusable glass bottle set. We could have basic designs such as wine, beer, short wide, tall narrow, etc. Like some areas have a tax on plastic bags, we could add a tax on goods sold in non-resusble and non compliant packaging.
  - blahedo 4y ago
    Most active breweries in the US will fill glass bottles in two standard sizes of 64oz ("growler"; a bit shy of 2L) or 32oz ("mini-growler", 1L). Sometimes they will only fill growlers you originally bought from them but IME most will fill any growler you bring in. They're great to bring to parties instead of a six-pack. So at least within one area, your idea is already implemented---it'd be a good start to build on.
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  - Symbiote 4y ago
    Denmark has standard DS 53 for a reusable beer or soda bottle. They are very common in bars, and beer sold in supermarkets. Soda in supermarkets tends to be in plastic bottles or cans. According to this very old report, in the 1990s these bottles were refilled 35 times on average. (Much of the report is very outdated.) https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pdf/waste/studies/packaging/denmark.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pdf/waste/studies/packaging...
- eru 4y ago
  Recycling aluminum cans costs less energy than recycling glass bottles. Aluminum cans are also lighter for a given volume of liquid than glass, and they don't break. You are right that re-using bottles takes less energy than recycling. You can re-use both glass and plastic bottles. Germany is a country with an extensive system of bottle re-use. But it's quite the logistical challenge to set up from scratch.
  - ASalazarMX 4y ago
    Glass bottles would be mostly reused, not recycled. This brings me back to the time where finding a weird taste in your coke bottle (some doofus used it to hold gasoline in an emergency), finding an insect in your drink (not thoroughly washed), the lip breaking (bottle capped without checking for wear), etc. happened sometimes. In an industrial scale, it takes a lot of effort to make sure glass bottles are fit for reuse.
Fatnino 4y ago
Bags made of fine chain mail? Sure, why not?
- Retric 4y ago
  For one thing they are a lot heavier and more expensive than plant fibers. But the average lifespan of iron says very little about how long it would last as a bag like this. Rust like many things occurs on the surface, combine friction between the links with lots of surface area and it’s not going to last anything like 100 years.

I mean, steel wire baskets are a thing, but I prefer a canvas bag. Glass is better for bottles and can be reusable, not merely recyclable.

Cerium 4y ago
I dream of a reusable glass bottle set. We could have basic designs such as wine, beer, short wide, tall narrow, etc. Like some areas have a tax on plastic bags, we could add a tax on goods sold in non-resusble and non compliant packaging.
- blahedo 4y ago
  Most active breweries in the US will fill glass bottles in two standard sizes of 64oz ("growler"; a bit shy of 2L) or 32oz ("mini-growler", 1L). Sometimes they will only fill growlers you originally bought from them but IME most will fill any growler you bring in. They're great to bring to parties instead of a six-pack. So at least within one area, your idea is already implemented---it'd be a good start to build on.
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- Symbiote 4y ago
  Denmark has standard DS 53 for a reusable beer or soda bottle. They are very common in bars, and beer sold in supermarkets. Soda in supermarkets tends to be in plastic bottles or cans. According to this very old report, in the 1990s these bottles were refilled 35 times on average. (Much of the report is very outdated.) https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pdf/waste/studies/packaging/denmark.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pdf/waste/studies/packaging...
eru 4y ago
Recycling aluminum cans costs less energy than recycling glass bottles. Aluminum cans are also lighter for a given volume of liquid than glass, and they don't break. You are right that re-using bottles takes less energy than recycling. You can re-use both glass and plastic bottles. Germany is a country with an extensive system of bottle re-use. But it's quite the logistical challenge to set up from scratch.
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  Glass bottles would be mostly reused, not recycled. This brings me back to the time where finding a weird taste in your coke bottle (some doofus used it to hold gasoline in an emergency), finding an insect in your drink (not thoroughly washed), the lip breaking (bottle capped without checking for wear), etc. happened sometimes. In an industrial scale, it takes a lot of effort to make sure glass bottles are fit for reuse.

Fatnino 4y ago

Bags made of fine chain mail? Sure, why not?

Retric 4y ago
For one thing they are a lot heavier and more expensive than plant fibers. But the average lifespan of iron says very little about how long it would last as a bag like this. Rust like many things occurs on the surface, combine friction between the links with lots of surface area and it’s not going to last anything like 100 years.