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Install and run iPhone apps without using Xcode

27 points by funhatch 4y ago

PebblesHD 4y ago
If nothing else, the codebase for this has shown me how relatively painless it is to hook into external library code within DLLs from Python. I’ve been using Python for what I’d describe as normal work for years and didn’t know it was that simple, given its a use case I’ve not encountered yet in my work life.
- goldenkey 4y ago
  Perl is the defacto standard for this kind of stuff. It's easier here because the DLL is Objective C instead of pure C.
  - orf 4y ago
    Has Perl been the defacto standard for anything in the last 10 years?
    - goldenkey 4y ago
      Yes, it's still the defacto standard for writing exploit or vulnerability POCs.
      - orf 4y ago
        Not that I’ve ever seen - the mantle has passed to Python (or Ruby) a while ago.
- js2 4y ago
  Another example: https://github.com/jaysoffian/eap_proxy/blob/master/eap_proxy.py https://github.com/jaysoffian/eap_proxy/blob/master/eap_prox...
Bellamy 4y ago
Anyone experience developing for iOS in Linux? I tried it a couple of years ago and it was pure pain. Apple's vendor login forces to buy and use XCode.
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  Zig should be able to do it (the Zig toolchain can also be used to build regular C/C++/ObjC projects, not just Zig). But I think there's still work to be done to be able to build complete applications which could be uploaded to the Store. You also need a separate iOS SDK because this isn't bundled with Zig: https://github.com/kubkon/zig-ios-example https://github.com/kubkon/zig-ios-example For debugging you'd still need a Mac and iOS device though, so for the regular development workflow using a Mac still makes sense. But for CI builds being able to build on Linux is pretty big deal.
- okamiueru 4y ago
  It's been terrible. Recently I had to reset my apple developer password, and they literally went "oh, you don't have any available apple hardware? Well.... We can still do it, but now it will take several days". And this is after 2FA through SMS. It's been a week now, and stil no update. I honestly think apple and their excellent marketing and previous decent hardware alternatives, is one of the worst things to happen to consumer computing. It served the "not Windows"-itch for a couple of decades, drawing driver and software manufacture towards a closed OS. Sometimes I think about what could have been. Hopefully getting there, just much more slowly.
  - musicale 4y ago
    > previous decent hardware alternatives Apple Silicon seems like a pretty decent current hardware alternative, for some use cases at least > It served the "not Windows"-itch for a couple of decades For many people it also served the the Apple II, and pre-Windows-3 Macintosh, and iPod, and iPhone, and iPad, and Apple Watch, and AirPod itches, etc..
alien2003 4y ago
ReProvision?
- easrng 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure ReProvision is not maintained anymore. AltStore with AltServer (unjailbroken) or AltDaemon (jailbroken) is the way to go.
jrc2022 4y ago
Good job!
inkeddeveloper 4y ago
This says “without using Xcode” but the second requirement says “access to a Mac with Xcode.” So, it’s blatantly false.
- funhatch 4y ago
  Use something like https://github.com/iGhibli/iOS-DeviceSupport https://github.com/iGhibli/iOS-DeviceSupport to get the device support files, and https://pmbaty.com/iosbuildenv/ https://pmbaty.com/iosbuildenv/ to develop apps
vanillax 4y ago
As an experiment this is cool. As an excuse not to buy a Mac to do iPhone development this is insanely useless and a waste of time. Just buy a damn Mac if you are gonna do anything with iPhone development.

27 points by funhatch 4y ago

If nothing else, the codebase for this has shown me how relatively painless it is to hook into external library code within DLLs from Python. I’ve been using Python for what I’d describe as normal work for years and didn’t know it was that simple, given its a use case I’ve not encountered yet in my work life.

goldenkey 4y ago
Perl is the defacto standard for this kind of stuff. It's easier here because the DLL is Objective C instead of pure C.
- orf 4y ago
  Has Perl been the defacto standard for anything in the last 10 years?
  - goldenkey 4y ago
    Yes, it's still the defacto standard for writing exploit or vulnerability POCs.
    - orf 4y ago
      Not that I’ve ever seen - the mantle has passed to Python (or Ruby) a while ago.
js2 4y ago
Another example: https://github.com/jaysoffian/eap_proxy/blob/master/eap_proxy.py https://github.com/jaysoffian/eap_proxy/blob/master/eap_prox...

Bellamy 4y ago

Anyone experience developing for iOS in Linux? I tried it a couple of years ago and it was pure pain. Apple's vendor login forces to buy and use XCode.

flohofwoe 4y ago
Zig should be able to do it (the Zig toolchain can also be used to build regular C/C++/ObjC projects, not just Zig). But I think there's still work to be done to be able to build complete applications which could be uploaded to the Store. You also need a separate iOS SDK because this isn't bundled with Zig: https://github.com/kubkon/zig-ios-example https://github.com/kubkon/zig-ios-example For debugging you'd still need a Mac and iOS device though, so for the regular development workflow using a Mac still makes sense. But for CI builds being able to build on Linux is pretty big deal.
okamiueru 4y ago
It's been terrible. Recently I had to reset my apple developer password, and they literally went "oh, you don't have any available apple hardware? Well.... We can still do it, but now it will take several days". And this is after 2FA through SMS. It's been a week now, and stil no update. I honestly think apple and their excellent marketing and previous decent hardware alternatives, is one of the worst things to happen to consumer computing. It served the "not Windows"-itch for a couple of decades, drawing driver and software manufacture towards a closed OS. Sometimes I think about what could have been. Hopefully getting there, just much more slowly.
- musicale 4y ago
  > previous decent hardware alternatives Apple Silicon seems like a pretty decent current hardware alternative, for some use cases at least > It served the "not Windows"-itch for a couple of decades For many people it also served the the Apple II, and pre-Windows-3 Macintosh, and iPod, and iPhone, and iPad, and Apple Watch, and AirPod itches, etc..

alien2003 4y ago

ReProvision?

easrng 4y ago
I'm pretty sure ReProvision is not maintained anymore. AltStore with AltServer (unjailbroken) or AltDaemon (jailbroken) is the way to go.

jrc2022 4y ago

Good job!

inkeddeveloper 4y ago

This says “without using Xcode” but the second requirement says “access to a Mac with Xcode.” So, it’s blatantly false.

funhatch 4y ago
Use something like https://github.com/iGhibli/iOS-DeviceSupport https://github.com/iGhibli/iOS-DeviceSupport to get the device support files, and https://pmbaty.com/iosbuildenv/ https://pmbaty.com/iosbuildenv/ to develop apps

vanillax 4y ago

As an experiment this is cool. As an excuse not to buy a Mac to do iPhone development this is insanely useless and a waste of time. Just buy a damn Mac if you are gonna do anything with iPhone development.