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Gobekli Tepe and others in it's surroundings are surely a great archeological discovery that brings the date of what we call civilization back some thousand yea
by 01acheru 4y ago
Gobekli Tepe and others in it's surroundings are surely a great archeological discovery that brings the date of what we call civilization back some thousand years. Anyway let's not forget that Jericho is 11k years old or even older and probably there are many many other ancient cities buried deep under the thousands of tells in the Near East.
(those that follow are just wild conjectures)
A thing that I always thought is that around that era the sea level was rising since some thousand years and kept rising for some thousands more [1] to a total of 130 meters. Humans always tried to live near the sea, fishing was easier, we need iodine to be healthy, better and more stable climate, etc... so my take is that our first settlements will never be found, they are 100 meters underwater, eroded and covered by sand.
The cities we find are the ones that humans built after they got pissed of by the ever rising sea and one day decided "fuck it, I'm going way up now". So those ancient fellas already had lot of experience building cities by then.
[1] https://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/13/how-long-have-sea-levels-been-rising-how-does-recent-sea-level-rise-compare-to-that-over-the-previous/ https://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/13/how-long-have-sea-levels-be...
- TedDoesntTalk 4y agoEphesus, an ancient city in Western Turkey, was a coastal city. Now it is 6 km inland.
- 01acheru 4y agoEphesus is far more recent, anyway it is now inland because of river silting. The sea didn't went nor up nor down, it was pushed further away over the centuries.
- x3iv130f 4y agoEphesus was founded after this rise in sea level. Ephesus was founded 3,000-4,000 years ago. The sea level rise occured over a period of 21,000 to 3,000 years ago.
- simonh 4y agoWe do tend to build near sources of water, but rivers and lakes have always been popular. I see no reason to believe they would have been less popular back then than at later periods. Obviously there’s a good chance a lot of significant sites were flooded by rising sea levels, but no reason to expect all of them were.
- 01acheru 4y agoIf we keep digging tells (or other areas of interest) we will find one of those lucky cities you are referring to, I really hope to witness this one day :) edit: by the way it is even harder since, of those rivers and lakes, most dried up or changed course, especially in the Near East.
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- Razengan 4y agoThat would tie in nicely with the myth of Atlantis. :)
- moistly 4y agoArchaeological sites have been found off the shore of British Columbia. 14 000 year old sites have been found inland. https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/earliest-sign-of-human-habitation-in-canada-may-have-been-found-1.2775151 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/earliest-sign-of-human-habit... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/one-oldest-north-american-settlements-found-180962750/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/one-oldest-north-a... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ancient-bc-footprints-earliest-known-north-america-1.4599568 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ancient-bc-f...
- jl6 4y agoI believe fishermen in the North Sea occasionally drag up artifacts from the sea bed that was the former Doggerland.
- davedx 4y agoYeah, the sea level rise thing is one explanation for why Sumerian is a language isolate. This YouTube series is a great deep dive into it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lJUOv0hLA&t=959s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lJUOv0hLA&t=959s
- sfifs 4y agoSo yeah one hypothesis is there was an advanced pre-historic culture that's now buried under the Persian Gulf and the fairly rapid filling of the Persian Gulf dislocated and drove dissemination of culture and common mythological elements we see in many cultures today in all directions. https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/657397?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/657397?seq=1