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-1 on this article and its abundant phallic references. +1 on Gobekli Tepe being evidence of a pre-literate advanced civilization.

mysecretaccount 4y ago
As far as civilizations go, Gobekli Tepe is not really "advanced". edit: I'm not sure why the downvotes, trying to clarify that this does not add credence to pseudohistorical narratives about long-lost advanced civilizations.
- pjscott 4y ago
  That really depends on what you mean by "advanced". It's evidence of a larger, more organized, more hierarchical civilization than archaeologists had expected to see anywhere near its time period. This is either evidence that they had agriculture way back then or that these things that we normally associate with sedentary agricultural civilization are separable from it. Either one is surprising!
  - mysecretaccount 4y ago
    "Advanced" is presumably used to disambiguate less advanced civilizations. This was among the least advanced civilizations.
  - KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
    When some people say advanced they mean at least roman level civilization, cities with hundreds of thousands of people etc. Some of them mean things like space-faring level advanced. https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/comments/ed5gd1/a_species_with_amnesia/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/comments/ed5gd1/...
gerdesj 4y ago
What is wrong with referring to the physical evidence? The bloody things are literally sticking up out of the ground. OK - not really "literally" unless the nobs have learned to write or have been written/drawn or I've messed my vowels and got litorally confused with literally (litor is shore as in seashore or river bank in Latin). Oh and they are not bloody either unless rubbed too hard. Nob, is of course: en_GB (slang) for an upper class person or a penis. Back to the article. This archaeological site seems to be extremely important. It seems to show that our ideas of when people started to put down roots ie build stuff and become fixed to a location (Latin - locus) started to happen earlier than we thought it did.

mysecretaccount 4y ago

As far as civilizations go, Gobekli Tepe is not really "advanced". edit: I'm not sure why the downvotes, trying to clarify that this does not add credence to pseudohistorical narratives about long-lost advanced civilizations.

pjscott 4y ago
That really depends on what you mean by "advanced". It's evidence of a larger, more organized, more hierarchical civilization than archaeologists had expected to see anywhere near its time period. This is either evidence that they had agriculture way back then or that these things that we normally associate with sedentary agricultural civilization are separable from it. Either one is surprising!
- mysecretaccount 4y ago
  "Advanced" is presumably used to disambiguate less advanced civilizations. This was among the least advanced civilizations.
- KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
  When some people say advanced they mean at least roman level civilization, cities with hundreds of thousands of people etc. Some of them mean things like space-faring level advanced. https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/comments/ed5gd1/a_species_with_amnesia/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/comments/ed5gd1/...

gerdesj 4y ago

What is wrong with referring to the physical evidence? The bloody things are literally sticking up out of the ground. OK - not really "literally" unless the nobs have learned to write or have been written/drawn or I've messed my vowels and got litorally confused with literally (litor is shore as in seashore or river bank in Latin). Oh and they are not bloody either unless rubbed too hard. Nob, is of course: en_GB (slang) for an upper class person or a penis. Back to the article. This archaeological site seems to be extremely important. It seems to show that our ideas of when people started to put down roots ie build stuff and become fixed to a location (Latin - locus) started to happen earlier than we thought it did.