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>except the countless hours my parents have spent helping her. Wouldn't you be happy if more people were like your parents? If there were "expensive doctors" w

by daenz 4y ago

>except the countless hours my parents have spent helping her. Wouldn't you be happy if more people were like your parents? If there were "expensive doctors" who felt in their hearts the need to help your aunt, free of charge? It's not an imaginary world, it just takes work to build. But the further we replace the spirit of charity with an impersonal, dysfunctional system of coercion, the harder it is to realize that world.

jnovek 4y ago
So I take it that you host a disabled person in your home, then? What’s even better is, this system already exists and is being utilized beyond its breaking point. How do I know? Well, it takes 1 to 2 YEARS to be approved for SSI or SSDI and, if you can’t work, someone has to pay for your basic cost of living. Or you become homeless. Anyone who is applying for SSDI and isn’t homeless is being supported by someone.
- daenz 4y ago
  We may be hosting my partner's aunt or grandmother soon, since they will likely have nobody closer to look after them. Did I pass your "is a good person" test?
  - jnovek 4y ago
    OK, topic shift. In all seriousness, I appreciate it. No snark, I don’t care if we don’t see eye-to-eye from a policy perspective, I appreciate what you’re doing. Disability is a really hard experience. I can’t describe what it’s like to lose these things we take for granted. Being without pain. Making choices for yourself. Going to a movie. By giving a disabled person a home, you’re giving some of that back to them. If you’ve never done this before, you might be surprised by how hard it is, the rewards for the disabled person aren’t necessarily always visible, but what you’re doing is important.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  My favorite one is the process of moving between states on medicaid. My parents wanted to retire another state. My aunt needed to come with them because they handle a large amount of her care. She was unable to apply for medicaid in the new state until dropping medicaid in the old state but there was no guarantee that she'd get medicaid in the new state. So moving was incredibly perilous.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> If there were "expensive doctors" who felt in their hearts the need to help your aunt, free of charge? Hard to do when malpractice lawsuits are a thing.
- daenz 4y ago
  Good thing healthcare professionals have malpractice insurance?
goodpoint 4y ago
> the further we replace the spirit of charity with an impersonal, dysfunctional system of coercion This is a pretty dishonest strawman on many levels. First, taxation-based disability support is "spirit of charity" at scale. Second, local charity is not mutually exclusive with disability support and talking about "replace" makes a strawman. Third, local charity is in no way guaranteed. Something happens and suddenly charities run out of funds and disabled people can die of hunger.
- daenz 4y ago
  >First, taxation-based disability support is "spirit of charity" at scale. I invite you to not pay your taxes and watch what happens.
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    As an individual? I would be coerced to do so - as it should be. As a society? Societies are perfectly free to decide to stop taxation.
    - daenz 4y ago
      "Society" is not some autonomous external being that is free to do how it pleases. It is composed of individuals making decisions. If the decisions of the individuals are coerced, then the society's aggregate behavior is coerced. Even if you could make that argument that coerced individual decisions could result in non-coerced societal decisions, you need to consider the entire implication: society is being "charitable" to itself, which isn't charity, it's selfishness. Charity is giving to others. So your point is nonsensical on multiple levels.
      - goodpoint 4y ago
        Nice trolling.
UncleMeat 4y ago
> Wouldn't you be happy if more people were like your parents? I would, yes. But just hoping that the world is filled with people who are willing and capable of helping in this manner is not productive. Almost nobody has the time and resources and will to help in the ways that my parents have. > If there were "expensive doctors" who felt in their hearts the need to help your aunt, free of charge? That'd be nice too. I do not expect this to be a thing I can rely on.

by daenz 4y ago

jnovek 4y ago

So I take it that you host a disabled person in your home, then? What’s even better is, this system already exists and is being utilized beyond its breaking point. How do I know? Well, it takes 1 to 2 YEARS to be approved for SSI or SSDI and, if you can’t work, someone has to pay for your basic cost of living. Or you become homeless. Anyone who is applying for SSDI and isn’t homeless is being supported by someone.

daenz 4y ago
We may be hosting my partner's aunt or grandmother soon, since they will likely have nobody closer to look after them. Did I pass your "is a good person" test?
- jnovek 4y ago
  OK, topic shift. In all seriousness, I appreciate it. No snark, I don’t care if we don’t see eye-to-eye from a policy perspective, I appreciate what you’re doing. Disability is a really hard experience. I can’t describe what it’s like to lose these things we take for granted. Being without pain. Making choices for yourself. Going to a movie. By giving a disabled person a home, you’re giving some of that back to them. If you’ve never done this before, you might be surprised by how hard it is, the rewards for the disabled person aren’t necessarily always visible, but what you’re doing is important.
UncleMeat 4y ago
My favorite one is the process of moving between states on medicaid. My parents wanted to retire another state. My aunt needed to come with them because they handle a large amount of her care. She was unable to apply for medicaid in the new state until dropping medicaid in the old state but there was no guarantee that she'd get medicaid in the new state. So moving was incredibly perilous.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago

> If there were "expensive doctors" who felt in their hearts the need to help your aunt, free of charge? Hard to do when malpractice lawsuits are a thing.

daenz 4y ago
Good thing healthcare professionals have malpractice insurance?

goodpoint 4y ago

> the further we replace the spirit of charity with an impersonal, dysfunctional system of coercion This is a pretty dishonest strawman on many levels. First, taxation-based disability support is "spirit of charity" at scale. Second, local charity is not mutually exclusive with disability support and talking about "replace" makes a strawman. Third, local charity is in no way guaranteed. Something happens and suddenly charities run out of funds and disabled people can die of hunger.

daenz 4y ago
>First, taxation-based disability support is "spirit of charity" at scale. I invite you to not pay your taxes and watch what happens.
- goodpoint 4y ago
  As an individual? I would be coerced to do so - as it should be. As a society? Societies are perfectly free to decide to stop taxation.
  - daenz 4y ago
    "Society" is not some autonomous external being that is free to do how it pleases. It is composed of individuals making decisions. If the decisions of the individuals are coerced, then the society's aggregate behavior is coerced. Even if you could make that argument that coerced individual decisions could result in non-coerced societal decisions, you need to consider the entire implication: society is being "charitable" to itself, which isn't charity, it's selfishness. Charity is giving to others. So your point is nonsensical on multiple levels.
    - goodpoint 4y ago
      Nice trolling.

UncleMeat 4y ago

> Wouldn't you be happy if more people were like your parents? I would, yes. But just hoping that the world is filled with people who are willing and capable of helping in this manner is not productive. Almost nobody has the time and resources and will to help in the ways that my parents have. > If there were "expensive doctors" who felt in their hearts the need to help your aunt, free of charge? That'd be nice too. I do not expect this to be a thing I can rely on.