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> Do you believe people never received help before the government came along? I do. Especially when people who need the help are from poor communities who can’
by taurath 4y ago
> Do you believe people never received help before the government came along?
I do. Especially when people who need the help are from poor communities who can’t spare much - much less provide things like in home care, transportation, etc.
If you say gov doesn’t need to be involved then please show me who is gonna help. The only ones I know of are the same that throw queer kids or male domestic abuse victims out on the street. People are more charitable when they’re rich (or more accurately, on rising incomes), but they only help out people close to them. Poor people are dehumanized. That’s why we need the gov.
Or did you not like see the lines of cars 20 miles long during covid for food assistance?
- daenz 4y agoCharitable programs in places of worship existed long before government programs. These are communities of people giving their time, money, and resources, and are actually invested in the people they are helping. If you don't believe they ever helped anyone, then we fundamentally disagree on historical facts.
- mikeyouse 4y agoLiterally nobody is disputing that charities in places of worship "ever helped anyone". What's in dispute is whether they would have sufficient resources and the will to help everyone. There are plenty of stories about religious programs refusing to help those outside of their religion which presents a pretty big problem if we're supposed to rely on them for universal charity. One recent story: https://www.propublica.org/article/utahs-social-safety-net-is-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-what-does-that-mean-if-youre-not-one https://www.propublica.org/article/utahs-social-safety-net-i...
- notriddle 4y agoExactly what time period in what part of the world are you thinking of? If you go back too far, you'll hit a time when places of worship were the government, or at least so entangled in it as to make no difference. If you don't go back far enough, you'll hit a time when work houses and sanitariums were commonplace, which might be inhumane by modern standards, but definitely count as "government programs to help the poor."
- taurath 4y ago> If you don't believe they ever helped anyone I can see from your very uncharitable reading of my comment how you could see that I was saying that. I was saying that many people have not and currently don't have receive help from those charitable institutions, and also its not enough. Look around you to see whether charitable programs are enough to solve these problems. If they were, they'd be solved. They are /helping/, but they're not enough, and often they come with strings attached like hide that you're LGBT, which some people literally can't do. People need actual security - if charitable programs gave it to people then there'd be no problem, but they can't or won't.
- fzeroracer 4y agoThose charitable programs exist now. There's nothing stopping them from existing. So why does the problem still exist then? And more importantly: Why have other countries solved this in a far better manner than the US? There's plenty of easy answers to these problems if we'd look to just emulate what other countries do for welfare, healthcare etc instead of pretending that we're better than them while failing at every aspect.