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I get the sense that something has changed about the NY Times approach to journalism. Instead of uncovering, breaking, and headlining news - what they were famo

I get the sense that something has changed about the NY Times approach to journalism. Instead of uncovering, breaking, and headlining news - what they were famous for and world leaders at, 'all the news that's fit to print' - it's long explanatory articles and narratives, and lifestyle stuff, plus their take on well-known stories but not so revelatory. It's less inflammatory, which is valuable, but I don't feel like it's news - shining light on the dark corners of power - which is an enormous loss. I'm not sure how to characterize it because I'm not sure what they are doing. Has anyone else noticed? It seems like it's been going on since last autumn, at least.

RC_ITR 4y ago
I mean the timeline makes things tight, but maybe you're just becoming desensitized? https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/2022-pulitzer-airstrikes-gone-wrong?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-pulitzer-prize&variant=show&region=MAIN_CONTENT_3&block=storyline_levelup_swipe_recirc https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/2022-pulitzer-airstrikes-g... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/31/us/police-traffic-stops-killings.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-pulitzer-prize&variant=show&region=MAIN_CONTENT_3&block=storyline_levelup_swipe_recirc https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/31/us/police-traffic-stops-k... Like sure neither of those are 'Watergate' takedowns of individuals or organizations, but unfortunately, Trump killed that kind of journalism.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  My impression is not simply defined and hard to provide evidence for, I admit. > Trump killed that kind of journalism How did he possibly kill that kind of journalism? Maybe that attitude explains it, in some way.
bloodyplonker22 4y ago
They realized that the investigative journalism type of news was too costly and produced smaller returns compared to this type of lifestyle "news". In addition, a lot of investigative journalism cannot even be reported on anymore because of their newly acquired woke bias. The NY times used to be a centrist/moderate source of news, but now wokeism has taken over and it's really not the same credible publication it was 30 years ago.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > They realized that the investigative journalism type of news was too costly and produced smaller returns compared to this type of lifestyle "news". That's been true for a long time. Do you have any evidence of this decision at the NYT? > wokeism I think that words like that are inflammatory (as is well known). Could you use more specific language and is there evidence? I know that's repeated a a lot in a certain segment, but reptition has no relationship with truth - facts (sometimes from investigative reporters) do. Thus chemistry not alchemy.
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spoonjim 4y ago
The NYT could do long risky exposes on power when they had a near media and print advertising monopoly in NYC. There’s not enough money for this anymore now that they compete for eyeball-seconds with Buzzfeed listicles like “what celebrity do these chihuahuas most look like?”
- WoahNoun 4y ago
  Looking at the front page of the NYT right now and I don't see anything like what you are claiming. In fact their top article today is a long-form investigative piece into Haiti's debt to France. >THE RANSOM - For generations, Haitians were forced to pay France for their freedom. How much was a mystery — until now. The Times scoured centuries-old documents to find out.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    While that's an interesting piece, it's more fitting a history book. It's not 'French corporations interfering in Hatian elections', or 'Biden administration hiding corruption in Justice Department prosecutions'.
    - WoahNoun 4y ago
      The piece highlights how the history of crippling debt impacts Haiti right now. In fact, most of the piece is about the present-day impact. Not for the history books.
WoahNoun 4y ago
They won a Pulitzer in 2020 for their series on predatory lending. https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/brian-m-rosenthal-new-york-times https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/brian-m-rosenthal-new-york-... >For an exposé of New York City’s taxi industry that showed how lenders profited from predatory loans that shattered the lives of vulnerable drivers, reporting that ultimately led to state and federal investigations and sweeping reforms. They still do tons of investigative journalism. It likely just doesn't cross your path unless you are an active NYT reader.

RC_ITR 4y ago

I mean the timeline makes things tight, but maybe you're just becoming desensitized? https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/2022-pulitzer-airstrikes-gone-wrong?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-pulitzer-prize&variant=show&region=MAIN_CONTENT_3&block=storyline_levelup_swipe_recirc https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/2022-pulitzer-airstrikes-g... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/31/us/police-traffic-stops-killings.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-pulitzer-prize&variant=show&region=MAIN_CONTENT_3&block=storyline_levelup_swipe_recirc https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/31/us/police-traffic-stops-k... Like sure neither of those are 'Watergate' takedowns of individuals or organizations, but unfortunately, Trump killed that kind of journalism.

wolverine876 4y ago
My impression is not simply defined and hard to provide evidence for, I admit. > Trump killed that kind of journalism How did he possibly kill that kind of journalism? Maybe that attitude explains it, in some way.

bloodyplonker22 4y ago

They realized that the investigative journalism type of news was too costly and produced smaller returns compared to this type of lifestyle "news". In addition, a lot of investigative journalism cannot even be reported on anymore because of their newly acquired woke bias. The NY times used to be a centrist/moderate source of news, but now wokeism has taken over and it's really not the same credible publication it was 30 years ago.

wolverine876 4y ago
> They realized that the investigative journalism type of news was too costly and produced smaller returns compared to this type of lifestyle "news". That's been true for a long time. Do you have any evidence of this decision at the NYT? > wokeism I think that words like that are inflammatory (as is well known). Could you use more specific language and is there evidence? I know that's repeated a a lot in a certain segment, but reptition has no relationship with truth - facts (sometimes from investigative reporters) do. Thus chemistry not alchemy.
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spoonjim 4y ago

The NYT could do long risky exposes on power when they had a near media and print advertising monopoly in NYC. There’s not enough money for this anymore now that they compete for eyeball-seconds with Buzzfeed listicles like “what celebrity do these chihuahuas most look like?”

WoahNoun 4y ago
Looking at the front page of the NYT right now and I don't see anything like what you are claiming. In fact their top article today is a long-form investigative piece into Haiti's debt to France. >THE RANSOM - For generations, Haitians were forced to pay France for their freedom. How much was a mystery — until now. The Times scoured centuries-old documents to find out.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  While that's an interesting piece, it's more fitting a history book. It's not 'French corporations interfering in Hatian elections', or 'Biden administration hiding corruption in Justice Department prosecutions'.
  - WoahNoun 4y ago
    The piece highlights how the history of crippling debt impacts Haiti right now. In fact, most of the piece is about the present-day impact. Not for the history books.

WoahNoun 4y ago

They won a Pulitzer in 2020 for their series on predatory lending. https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/brian-m-rosenthal-new-york-times https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/brian-m-rosenthal-new-york-... >For an exposé of New York City’s taxi industry that showed how lenders profited from predatory loans that shattered the lives of vulnerable drivers, reporting that ultimately led to state and federal investigations and sweeping reforms. They still do tons of investigative journalism. It likely just doesn't cross your path unless you are an active NYT reader.