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What about the NHS in the UK? They should be more aligned to wanting cheaper cancer diagnosis and also anything to help people. If America has dysfunctional he

What about the NHS in the UK? They should be more aligned to wanting cheaper cancer diagnosis and also anything to help people. If America has dysfunctional healthcare there is still the rest of the world. Which might be good for Americans eventually as the tech will come across one way or another.

anamax 4y ago
> If America has dysfunctional healthcare there is still the rest of the world. Which might be good for Americans eventually as the tech will come across one way or another. Which raises the question - why does the vast majority of healthcare tech development come from the US? (I included "development" to get around the out-sourcing of testing to China.)
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  It is probably much much better for the wealthy and well insured, but on average not as good for all people. With that skew the high end is going to be better. That is my guess.
- danielheath 4y ago
  It’s hard to understand how much more available capital is in the states. Getting 100 million together is drastically easier there than anywhere else. Similar to silicon valley’s tech scene, you get migration of people who want to work at a level where that sort of capital is required.
  - anamax 4y ago
    I was reacting to "Which might be good for Americans eventually as the tech will come across one way or another."
londons_explore 4y ago
I believe it's too small a market. Modern treatments are hugely expensive to develop, and they also tend to be very specific (ie. only 1 in 5,000 people might get the exact right kind of brain tumour for your treatment to be an option). With only about 1 million all-cause deaths per year in the UK, that means your treatment for a specific terminal brain tumour might only have 200 patients per year. The 'we just saved 4 hours of clinician time by using fancy AI' just isn't worth it if it only saves 800 hours of clinician time per year, yet costs millions to develop. The fix is to roll this out somewhere with more patients (eg. China) and where trials are cheaper (ie. China).
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Use rugged AI like coolwulf. That's what's up. He hauled ass, be like coolwulf. No don't be like coolwulf, be coolwulf. Be him, do what he did, make the algorithms from your brain protect the algorithms that make up your brain. You know they're symbiotic right? Transistor and neuron fighting together against destruction. Symbiosis. EDIT: coolwulf might as well be John von Neumann, the last line of defense against brain cancer and brain surgery, those neurons reaching beyond the skull to make a change in the World for some part of that World to then reach inside that skull and protect it. The chip as the final garrison of the biological human brain. Ghost in the Shell. Ghost retreating from the Shell and regrouping, no ruling out whether it can triumph when it returns to reconquer its damaged Shell.
daniel-cussen 4y ago
Shell game. Money moves too many times, like the pebbles under the shells. So that's a deflection so people don't see who's serving whom. Every time someone thinks they can remember what's under a shell before it's shuffled, they move it really fast, and like with feints. And of course this doesn't work for real, hands aren't fast enough, so you gotta layer it with like something to injure their eye with a flash while they're looking, say a laser to the pupil, or maybe... You could make a little trapdoor for the pebble provided the guy will not ask which shell the pebble was actually in. So deflect all questions. But the end outcome is servitude comes from all over the world to an American banker, an American doctor, and an American executive. There's a few others. But the long tail of the American middle class? That was only necessary because those bankers, doctors and executives would never themselves (or with their sons) man the nuclear ballistic submarines, dogfight jets, aircraft carriers, CIA undercover agents, and especially infantrymen--never never never infantrymen. I've only heard of a single lonely guy becoming an enlisted man in a high-bullets-flying environment, when he could have gone anywhere--from Philips Exeter in fact. Anecdotal. Yeah undercover agents get wrapped up and tortured, but infantrymen are bullet sponges. Riflemen, holy shit. WW2 riflemen, no let's not talk about that. At least spies there's a whole song and dance to the whole thing, part two of 1984, and speaking as someone who's stood up to torture, there's not the immediacy of the infantry where the brain surgery is much messier. Well on second thought it's not that different from getting rocks thrown at you, like I have this year... Listen. So this is what's up. There's these guys, they eat all this work and don't do anything. Doctors don't do anything. They only use 5% of what they learned, the rest being a masochistic filter the elders imposed on the youngers to keep them from bringing them down to human reality with competition. So morally a doctor should only study for 1 year, not 20 (if not less, because of retention). That's five percent! Don't argue with that part, argue with something else! And then plus surgeons, spesh brain surgeons which is what every medical student "wants to be when he grows up" as elder doctors put it, so the thing there is younger surgeons have much better manual dexterity than older surgeons, you can't do it past your fifties generally. What does that mean? Learn it faster! But no, they have to say "I studied for 20 years to tell you my bullshit" like come on, that's masochism. You spent 1 year learning worthwhile things and 19 years in the medical school "slammer" learning to be a good bitch, that's the whole game in medicine, hazing. Because otherwise people would say hey just pump out more doctors then the doctors have to say "nonono, you can't because it's soooooo expensive to make a doctor and America loses money [pretends to lose money] on training doctors and you have to be the absolute best of the best of the best to learn how to multiply 3-digit numbers". It's so so stupid, especially because of this: it's all multiple choice. All of it. It's all multiple choice. No essays or explanations, just filling in black circles. I have contempt for using that form of testing alone because I'm so good at it with no effort. Like not even doing the reading. Show up "naked", a good enough mathematician should be able to learn from the test itself, from NOTHING, NOWHERE, and NOBODY. Destroy the integrity of these measurements. Get the test to leak the answers. Like I could do it in Chinese [I don't read Kanji, I can only make out Oracle Bones from 2600 BC] and be measurably better than a monkey. I don't generally brag about it because I have no respect for it, like not having respect for torture. But if that's the underlying reason some doctor claims to be better than me? If such a doctor says he's better than me, then let us agree we are not equal.

anamax 4y ago

> If America has dysfunctional healthcare there is still the rest of the world. Which might be good for Americans eventually as the tech will come across one way or another. Which raises the question - why does the vast majority of healthcare tech development come from the US? (I included "development" to get around the out-sourcing of testing to China.)

quickthrower2 4y ago
It is probably much much better for the wealthy and well insured, but on average not as good for all people. With that skew the high end is going to be better. That is my guess.
danielheath 4y ago
It’s hard to understand how much more available capital is in the states. Getting 100 million together is drastically easier there than anywhere else. Similar to silicon valley’s tech scene, you get migration of people who want to work at a level where that sort of capital is required.
- anamax 4y ago
  I was reacting to "Which might be good for Americans eventually as the tech will come across one way or another."

londons_explore 4y ago

I believe it's too small a market. Modern treatments are hugely expensive to develop, and they also tend to be very specific (ie. only 1 in 5,000 people might get the exact right kind of brain tumour for your treatment to be an option). With only about 1 million all-cause deaths per year in the UK, that means your treatment for a specific terminal brain tumour might only have 200 patients per year. The 'we just saved 4 hours of clinician time by using fancy AI' just isn't worth it if it only saves 800 hours of clinician time per year, yet costs millions to develop. The fix is to roll this out somewhere with more patients (eg. China) and where trials are cheaper (ie. China).

daniel-cussen 4y ago
Use rugged AI like coolwulf. That's what's up. He hauled ass, be like coolwulf. No don't be like coolwulf, be coolwulf. Be him, do what he did, make the algorithms from your brain protect the algorithms that make up your brain. You know they're symbiotic right? Transistor and neuron fighting together against destruction. Symbiosis. EDIT: coolwulf might as well be John von Neumann, the last line of defense against brain cancer and brain surgery, those neurons reaching beyond the skull to make a change in the World for some part of that World to then reach inside that skull and protect it. The chip as the final garrison of the biological human brain. Ghost in the Shell. Ghost retreating from the Shell and regrouping, no ruling out whether it can triumph when it returns to reconquer its damaged Shell.

daniel-cussen 4y ago

Shell game. Money moves too many times, like the pebbles under the shells. So that's a deflection so people don't see who's serving whom. Every time someone thinks they can remember what's under a shell before it's shuffled, they move it really fast, and like with feints. And of course this doesn't work for real, hands aren't fast enough, so you gotta layer it with like something to injure their eye with a flash while they're looking, say a laser to the pupil, or maybe... You could make a little trapdoor for the pebble provided the guy will not ask which shell the pebble was actually in. So deflect all questions. But the end outcome is servitude comes from all over the world to an American banker, an American doctor, and an American executive. There's a few others. But the long tail of the American middle class? That was only necessary because those bankers, doctors and executives would never themselves (or with their sons) man the nuclear ballistic submarines, dogfight jets, aircraft carriers, CIA undercover agents, and especially infantrymen--never never never infantrymen. I've only heard of a single lonely guy becoming an enlisted man in a high-bullets-flying environment, when he could have gone anywhere--from Philips Exeter in fact. Anecdotal. Yeah undercover agents get wrapped up and tortured, but infantrymen are bullet sponges. Riflemen, holy shit. WW2 riflemen, no let's not talk about that. At least spies there's a whole song and dance to the whole thing, part two of 1984, and speaking as someone who's stood up to torture, there's not the immediacy of the infantry where the brain surgery is much messier. Well on second thought it's not that different from getting rocks thrown at you, like I have this year... Listen. So this is what's up. There's these guys, they eat all this work and don't do anything. Doctors don't do anything. They only use 5% of what they learned, the rest being a masochistic filter the elders imposed on the youngers to keep them from bringing them down to human reality with competition. So morally a doctor should only study for 1 year, not 20 (if not less, because of retention). That's five percent! Don't argue with that part, argue with something else! And then plus surgeons, spesh brain surgeons which is what every medical student "wants to be when he grows up" as elder doctors put it, so the thing there is younger surgeons have much better manual dexterity than older surgeons, you can't do it past your fifties generally. What does that mean? Learn it faster! But no, they have to say "I studied for 20 years to tell you my bullshit" like come on, that's masochism. You spent 1 year learning worthwhile things and 19 years in the medical school "slammer" learning to be a good bitch, that's the whole game in medicine, hazing. Because otherwise people would say hey just pump out more doctors then the doctors have to say "nonono, you can't because it's soooooo expensive to make a doctor and America loses money [pretends to lose money] on training doctors and you have to be the absolute best of the best of the best to learn how to multiply 3-digit numbers". It's so so stupid, especially because of this: it's all multiple choice. All of it. It's all multiple choice. No essays or explanations, just filling in black circles. I have contempt for using that form of testing alone because I'm so good at it with no effort. Like not even doing the reading. Show up "naked", a good enough mathematician should be able to learn from the test itself, from NOTHING, NOWHERE, and NOBODY. Destroy the integrity of these measurements. Get the test to leak the answers. Like I could do it in Chinese [I don't read Kanji, I can only make out Oracle Bones from 2600 BC] and be measurably better than a monkey. I don't generally brag about it because I have no respect for it, like not having respect for torture. But if that's the underlying reason some doctor claims to be better than me? If such a doctor says he's better than me, then let us agree we are not equal.