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> Really? I think this is an extraordinary claim given some of the crashes and near-crashes that have happened (and again, the "autonomous" word). The catch is

by GuB-42 4y ago

> Really? I think this is an extraordinary claim given some of the crashes and near-crashes that have happened (and again, the "autonomous" word). The catch is that the situations where cars drive autonomously are easy, when the situation becomes complex, the autopilot bugs out and tells you to drive. Furthermore, the stereotypical easy case is on the highway, where you rack a lot of miles quickly, and statistics are typically "per mile driven". Once you remove the bias, Tesla's self driving is not safer, I think I have seen a study that says that in the situations where Teslas can self-drive, they are on the same level as a human driver.

judge2020 4y ago
> I think I have seen a study that says that in the situations where Teslas can self-drive, they are on the same level as a human driver. Maybe link to those studies. The one plus Tesla (and other ACC+lane keep systems that are obvious, as in 'loud beep when the system disengages'; my Honda notoriously gave the quietest beep whenever it lost its tracking of lane lines) has is that they don't look at their phone, don't get drowsy, and don't get distracted. So while many situations come up where a human could've prevented a crash, eg running into an overturned semi[0], it leads to about 3x less crashes compared to only passive safety features [1]. 0: https://electrek.co/2020/06/01/tesla-model-3-crashing-truck-autopilot-video-viral/ https://electrek.co/2020/06/01/tesla-model-3-crashing-truck-... 1: > one crash for every 4.31 million miles driven in which drivers were using Autopilot technology (Autosteer and active safety features). For drivers who were not using Autopilot technology (no Autosteer and active safety features), we recorded one crash for every 1.59 million miles driven. > we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
- GuB-42 4y ago
  > Maybe link to those studies. Here: https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973/3986 https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973/3986 Discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30182141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30182141

by GuB-42 4y ago

judge2020 4y ago

> I think I have seen a study that says that in the situations where Teslas can self-drive, they are on the same level as a human driver. Maybe link to those studies. The one plus Tesla (and other ACC+lane keep systems that are obvious, as in 'loud beep when the system disengages'; my Honda notoriously gave the quietest beep whenever it lost its tracking of lane lines) has is that they don't look at their phone, don't get drowsy, and don't get distracted. So while many situations come up where a human could've prevented a crash, eg running into an overturned semi[0], it leads to about 3x less crashes compared to only passive safety features [1]. 0: https://electrek.co/2020/06/01/tesla-model-3-crashing-truck-autopilot-video-viral/ https://electrek.co/2020/06/01/tesla-model-3-crashing-truck-... 1: > one crash for every 4.31 million miles driven in which drivers were using Autopilot technology (Autosteer and active safety features). For drivers who were not using Autopilot technology (no Autosteer and active safety features), we recorded one crash for every 1.59 million miles driven. > we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

GuB-42 4y ago
> Maybe link to those studies. Here: https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973/3986 https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973/3986 Discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30182141 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30182141