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There's a conflation of issues here. I agree that "FSD 'beta'" is pushing it as advertising goes, and probably on the wrong side of the line. I don't accept tha

There's a conflation of issues here. I agree that "FSD 'beta'" is pushing it as advertising goes, and probably on the wrong side of the line. I don't accept that advertising copy makes operating a car more or less dangerous. Tesla's system does more than the average level 2, so it's more useful. This may also mean operating it is more dangerous, but that isn't a given. Has it been demonstrated? If it has, I'd like to see that. It seems to be mostly taken for granted in this sort of conversation, and it seems like if it were demonstrably the case, there would be a pithy blog on that subject online. I can only say I haven't seen that, but it could easily exist, this isn't something I focus on.

kube-system 4y ago
Tesla’s system does more driver assistance than other level 2 systems, but it is a level 2 system itself. FSD is an egregious misnomer. It doesn’t take over driving responsibilities under any circumstance. “Full automation” under SAE J3016 is level 5. The dangerous part is the false impressions of capability that they give to some of their drivers.
lolinder 4y ago
> I don't accept that advertising copy makes operating a car more or less dangerous. Advertising copy doesn't alter the car's safety, but it can make the driver of a car more or less dangerous. Tesla sells their cars as being capable of fully driving themselves, hands people a contract with a bunch of fine print saying "actually you still need to pay attention", and then acts shocked when drivers respond to the flashy marketing rather than to the fine print. It's absurd that people still defend Tesla after all that marketing and place full blame on the drivers. Yes the drivers were careless, but Tesla intentionally created an environment in which drivers could believe their cars would take care of themselves!

kube-system 4y ago

Tesla’s system does more driver assistance than other level 2 systems, but it is a level 2 system itself. FSD is an egregious misnomer. It doesn’t take over driving responsibilities under any circumstance. “Full automation” under SAE J3016 is level 5. The dangerous part is the false impressions of capability that they give to some of their drivers.

lolinder 4y ago

> I don't accept that advertising copy makes operating a car more or less dangerous. Advertising copy doesn't alter the car's safety, but it can make the driver of a car more or less dangerous. Tesla sells their cars as being capable of fully driving themselves, hands people a contract with a bunch of fine print saying "actually you still need to pay attention", and then acts shocked when drivers respond to the flashy marketing rather than to the fine print. It's absurd that people still defend Tesla after all that marketing and place full blame on the drivers. Yes the drivers were careless, but Tesla intentionally created an environment in which drivers could believe their cars would take care of themselves!