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"I think this is an extraordinary claim given some of the crashes and near-crashes that have happened" Humans crash all the time. It would be interesting to s

"I think this is an extraordinary claim given some of the crashes and near-crashes that have happened" Humans crash all the time. It would be interesting to see a comparison of how often humans crash vs how often Teslas crash while the car is driving "autonomously". I would not be at all surprised if humans fare worse, as there are plenty of horrible drivers, angry/distracted/inexperienced drivers, drunk drivers, sleepy drivers, etc...

FartyMcFarter 4y ago
> It would be interesting to see a comparison of how often humans crash vs how often Teslas crash while the car is driving "autonomously". Again, Tesla cars cannot drive autonomously by their own admission (they always require human attention), so this comparison isn't possible. Even if that weren't the case, there's also the issue that people only enable Autopilot in cherry-picked situations, which don't statistically represent general driving situations.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  "Tesla cars cannot drive autonomously by their own admission (they always require human attention)" Tesla instructs humans to be attentive while this feature is engaged, but obviously the car will keep driving even if the human's attention is elsewhere. So Teslas do drive autonomously.. just not always as safely as (some) humans do under certain conditions. Same with ordinary cruise control, which will keep the car going even when the human driver's attention is elsewhere, their foot is off the gas pedal and their hands are off the steering wheel.
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ghaff 4y ago
>Humans crash all the time. While minor accidents are obviously much more common, in the US, there's approximately one fatality per 100 million miles driven. And that's across all drivers across all cars including old clunkers in poor mechanical condition and lacking modern safety systems.

FartyMcFarter 4y ago

> It would be interesting to see a comparison of how often humans crash vs how often Teslas crash while the car is driving "autonomously". Again, Tesla cars cannot drive autonomously by their own admission (they always require human attention), so this comparison isn't possible. Even if that weren't the case, there's also the issue that people only enable Autopilot in cherry-picked situations, which don't statistically represent general driving situations.

pmoriarty 4y ago
"Tesla cars cannot drive autonomously by their own admission (they always require human attention)" Tesla instructs humans to be attentive while this feature is engaged, but obviously the car will keep driving even if the human's attention is elsewhere. So Teslas do drive autonomously.. just not always as safely as (some) humans do under certain conditions. Same with ordinary cruise control, which will keep the car going even when the human driver's attention is elsewhere, their foot is off the gas pedal and their hands are off the steering wheel.
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ghaff 4y ago

>Humans crash all the time. While minor accidents are obviously much more common, in the US, there's approximately one fatality per 100 million miles driven. And that's across all drivers across all cars including old clunkers in poor mechanical condition and lacking modern safety systems.