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If you increase the burden of getting a license you don't simultaneously invalidate all existing licenses at once obviously you focus on new licenses and renewa

If you increase the burden of getting a license you don't simultaneously invalidate all existing licenses at once obviously you focus on new licenses and renewals over many years. It is impossible to get insurance, plates, tabs, park your car in your apartments lot without proper licensing. Everyone eventually messes up and gets pulled over or gets in an accident and then you are basically going to jail. In theory your cousin can buy and register your car but if you kill someone he will be legally and monetarily responsible. Logically it would have to be fantastically burdensome to convince many people to drive without licenses. It is silly to both pretend we absolutely must impliment a law either without the slightest bit of sense or not at all and presuppose that everyone is going to ignore the law when clearly this is actually fairly hard to do.

sokoloff 4y ago
> Logically it would have to be fantastically burdensome to convince many people to drive without licenses. Based on experience (admittedly biased), plenty of people are driving without a valid license or insurance right now. That’s not an argument not to increase proficiency standards, but I think people who naturally follow rules (like my spouse) have a hard time comprehending people who would see a rule and then evaluate whether or not to follow it.
dylan604 4y ago
I think you and I are experiencing different realities. I know first hand it is easy to drive without a valid license whether that means not having one at all, having one but currently it is suspended, or any other various ways. I also know direct* 2nd hand of how easy it is to have a car that does not have proper official paperwork/stickers/plates. If you are operating a car in someone else's name does not mean they are ultimately on the hook. Yes, they will probably be main suspect, but they will/could be able to prove not involved. Easiest would be to say you were using the car without permission. >Logically it would have to be fantastically burdensome to convince many people to drive without licenses. WAT! this happens every. single. day. *I know direct 2nd hand is counter-intuitive, but I mean I personally know people with cars like this.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  It's hard to own a car without a license. The owner of the car is ultimately financially responsible for what is done with the car.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Huh? You can absolutely own a car and not have a license.
    - michaelmrose 4y ago
      You can't register a car without a drivers license and you cannot practically enter into a financial arrangement wherein the car is the collateral without such with most lenders. You cannot purchase car insurance.

sokoloff 4y ago

> Logically it would have to be fantastically burdensome to convince many people to drive without licenses. Based on experience (admittedly biased), plenty of people are driving without a valid license or insurance right now. That’s not an argument not to increase proficiency standards, but I think people who naturally follow rules (like my spouse) have a hard time comprehending people who would see a rule and then evaluate whether or not to follow it.

dylan604 4y ago

I think you and I are experiencing different realities. I know first hand it is easy to drive without a valid license whether that means not having one at all, having one but currently it is suspended, or any other various ways. I also know direct* 2nd hand of how easy it is to have a car that does not have proper official paperwork/stickers/plates. If you are operating a car in someone else's name does not mean they are ultimately on the hook. Yes, they will probably be main suspect, but they will/could be able to prove not involved. Easiest would be to say you were using the car without permission. >Logically it would have to be fantastically burdensome to convince many people to drive without licenses. WAT! this happens every. single. day. *I know direct 2nd hand is counter-intuitive, but I mean I personally know people with cars like this.

michaelmrose 4y ago
It's hard to own a car without a license. The owner of the car is ultimately financially responsible for what is done with the car.
- dylan604 4y ago
  Huh? You can absolutely own a car and not have a license.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    You can't register a car without a drivers license and you cannot practically enter into a financial arrangement wherein the car is the collateral without such with most lenders. You cannot purchase car insurance.