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Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists

by foepys 4y ago

Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1]. You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely have to shut down nuclear power plants to not overheat their adjacent rivers in the summer, nuclear is also no build and forget solution. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine

rad_gruchalski 4y ago
Eifel. Around national park. I see it with my own eyes, I live here. Regarding Hambacher Forst. Does it not make you wonder why the situation quiet down while the country is going though an energy supply crunch?
- kappuchino 4y ago
  Well, unless you have some data about loss of forest for wind turbines, your observations on your surroundings attached to 75% living in the cities is just anecdotal evidence casually presented as a fact. Not helpful in a discussion about a related topic, even less when this is about the 9euro ticket. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence As for Hambacher Forst, you failed to mention that most issues have been either finalized in courts or were dealt with in protests/politics. I'm not taking sides since this was never a black or white situation, it is always a multi faceted problem. (Empathic example: For the people living in the villages that were destroyed, the loss of their homeland is for most of us simply unimaginable. Then again for some time, germany needed the energy from these deposits under the villages.)
0x008 4y ago
Planting trees may help with CO2 in like 10 years when they are big enough, but it will never recreate the cultural diversity of a real forest. Unfortunately Germany has less than 10% true forest left, most ist just foreign trees maximizing for wood revenue. They can’t withstand a storm or a hot summer (really good with the extreme climate events which are coming up). Any forest is not a forest.

by foepys 4y ago

rad_gruchalski 4y ago

Eifel. Around national park. I see it with my own eyes, I live here. Regarding Hambacher Forst. Does it not make you wonder why the situation quiet down while the country is going though an energy supply crunch?

kappuchino 4y ago
Well, unless you have some data about loss of forest for wind turbines, your observations on your surroundings attached to 75% living in the cities is just anecdotal evidence casually presented as a fact. Not helpful in a discussion about a related topic, even less when this is about the 9euro ticket. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence As for Hambacher Forst, you failed to mention that most issues have been either finalized in courts or were dealt with in protests/politics. I'm not taking sides since this was never a black or white situation, it is always a multi faceted problem. (Empathic example: For the people living in the villages that were destroyed, the loss of their homeland is for most of us simply unimaginable. Then again for some time, germany needed the energy from these deposits under the villages.)

0x008 4y ago

Planting trees may help with CO2 in like 10 years when they are big enough, but it will never recreate the cultural diversity of a real forest. Unfortunately Germany has less than 10% true forest left, most ist just foreign trees maximizing for wood revenue. They can’t withstand a storm or a hot summer (really good with the extreme climate events which are coming up). Any forest is not a forest.