3 ms·

Prior to going to cloud (ubuntu ended up being easier there even over paid RHEL) on-prem a lot of businesses are just structured around having a vendor, which b

Prior to going to cloud (ubuntu ended up being easier there even over paid RHEL) on-prem a lot of businesses are just structured around having a vendor, which basically means someone to call to both figure out what to use (unfortunately often dealing with sales folks) and then when issues come up (support / implementation consulting etc). Given margins are often so good on subscription models in a redhat type world, I really wish they had gone a bit heavier on cloud focus (AWS / GCP / Windows in my case). Some free / base images container / vm focused pushed hard for everything from docker to cloud. I thought ubuntu executed very well here (given their commercialization has always felt somewhat weak). They got images for docker / aws / gcp all first class and available at the basic level. They are also doing some deals with Microsoft and Windows Subsystem for Linux. Not sure if anyone has done the docker image download weighted by base distribution analysis, but my own experience went from the centos / rhel was like everywhere to ubuntu and amazon's linux stuff.

Kaytaro 4y ago
Base images were a part of this release, and their developer subscription is free. Not sure if that applies to the various public clouds though. Red Hat's thing is hybrid cloud and being cloud agnostic. Amazon Linux locks you in to AWS (and by the way it's literally just a clone of RHEL) and Canonical is too sketchy for some enterprise customers. Also RH is focused on Podman over Docker, being the developers of it.
- tempnow987 4y ago
  Right, and I think they missed some major opportunities as a result. Would be great to have an offering as the basic base image for docker containers (outside of UBI). They let Project Atomic die. Then they let CoreOS Container Linux die I think? They have a Fedore CoreOS but don't seem to promote it at all and I can't find images on docker hub for it. The RedHat stuff is generally paywalled. CentOS is gone. I know they are pitching the IBM cloud - I don't care about the IBM cloud - though they keep on advertising Watson to me as the solution to every issue. The OpenShift brand was hurt by the enormous mess of complexity it was compared to K8 and things like ECS and Fargate etc.
  - dralley 4y ago
    Project Atomic and CoreOS Container Linux both became Fedora CoreOS. Neither really "died", they were just folded together into a new effort. Fedora Silverblue is also comparable to Project Atomic for the traditional non-container installed OS scenario.
- przemub 4y ago
  I'm curious - why Canonical is considered "sketchy"?
  - killjoywashere 4y ago
    Red Hat is US owned (IBM). Canonical is headquartered in London, which is close, but not sufficient for projects where no foreign influence is allowed (e.g. nuclear work in Department of Energy)
  - tempnow987 4y ago
    I just don't think they really figured out as a major priority the enterprise side of business delivery (training and more). Interestingly in business it's not London that is sometimes seen as their connection but maybe South African (it's the name with ubuntu or some background in founder). Do you buy Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Or Ubuntu? Just based on the name I think RHEL as an advantage personally.
  - Kaytaro 4y ago
    Basically, it’s a much smaller company than Red Hat so it’s uncertain if they can provide the same level of tech support for massive enterprise customers, something Red Hat’s been doing for 20+ years. It’s also privately owned and controlled by one guy so it’s hard predict the future of the company.
- tempnow987 4y ago
  Where? I just went on docker hub. I search for Redhat Enterprise Linux and RHEL. I get ubuntu with 1B+ downloads. I get oraclinux, amazonlinux (?!?), alpine, debian and more. If they are releasing docker base images they are doing an absolutely terrible job getting them distributed. I'm honestly kind of shocked to see amazon here, are people developing against Amazon outside of just spinning up hosts on EC2 etc? Amazing. I might do that myself. Edit: Amazon Linux looks fedora based for 2022 forward, but with 5 years of support - that's not a bad combo if they can deliver. I'm going to try it for my next project. Their Amazon Linux support has been poor in the past at times.
  - amarshall 4y ago
    Seems like it’s at https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi9 https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi9 (though nothing pushed there yet, see instead https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi8 https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi8 for RHEL8 for now, I guess). See also https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/ubi https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/ubi
    - Chmouel 4y ago
      you can get them from catalog.redhat.com i.e: for the rhel/ubi9 images : https://catalog.redhat.com/software/containers/search?q=ubi9&p=1 https://catalog.redhat.com/software/containers/search?q=ubi9... red hat has some sort of partnership with docker to have them available in docker hub, i guess it's just not there yet... https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-brings-red-hat-universal-base-image-docker-hub https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-bring...
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - onei 4y ago
    I think quay.io is run by RedHat, so I'd expect RHEL containers to be there if nowhere else.

Kaytaro 4y ago

Base images were a part of this release, and their developer subscription is free. Not sure if that applies to the various public clouds though. Red Hat's thing is hybrid cloud and being cloud agnostic. Amazon Linux locks you in to AWS (and by the way it's literally just a clone of RHEL) and Canonical is too sketchy for some enterprise customers. Also RH is focused on Podman over Docker, being the developers of it.

tempnow987 4y ago
Right, and I think they missed some major opportunities as a result. Would be great to have an offering as the basic base image for docker containers (outside of UBI). They let Project Atomic die. Then they let CoreOS Container Linux die I think? They have a Fedore CoreOS but don't seem to promote it at all and I can't find images on docker hub for it. The RedHat stuff is generally paywalled. CentOS is gone. I know they are pitching the IBM cloud - I don't care about the IBM cloud - though they keep on advertising Watson to me as the solution to every issue. The OpenShift brand was hurt by the enormous mess of complexity it was compared to K8 and things like ECS and Fargate etc.
- dralley 4y ago
  Project Atomic and CoreOS Container Linux both became Fedora CoreOS. Neither really "died", they were just folded together into a new effort. Fedora Silverblue is also comparable to Project Atomic for the traditional non-container installed OS scenario.
przemub 4y ago
I'm curious - why Canonical is considered "sketchy"?
- killjoywashere 4y ago
  Red Hat is US owned (IBM). Canonical is headquartered in London, which is close, but not sufficient for projects where no foreign influence is allowed (e.g. nuclear work in Department of Energy)
- tempnow987 4y ago
  I just don't think they really figured out as a major priority the enterprise side of business delivery (training and more). Interestingly in business it's not London that is sometimes seen as their connection but maybe South African (it's the name with ubuntu or some background in founder). Do you buy Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Or Ubuntu? Just based on the name I think RHEL as an advantage personally.
- Kaytaro 4y ago
  Basically, it’s a much smaller company than Red Hat so it’s uncertain if they can provide the same level of tech support for massive enterprise customers, something Red Hat’s been doing for 20+ years. It’s also privately owned and controlled by one guy so it’s hard predict the future of the company.
tempnow987 4y ago
Where? I just went on docker hub. I search for Redhat Enterprise Linux and RHEL. I get ubuntu with 1B+ downloads. I get oraclinux, amazonlinux (?!?), alpine, debian and more. If they are releasing docker base images they are doing an absolutely terrible job getting them distributed. I'm honestly kind of shocked to see amazon here, are people developing against Amazon outside of just spinning up hosts on EC2 etc? Amazing. I might do that myself. Edit: Amazon Linux looks fedora based for 2022 forward, but with 5 years of support - that's not a bad combo if they can deliver. I'm going to try it for my next project. Their Amazon Linux support has been poor in the past at times.
- amarshall 4y ago
  Seems like it’s at https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi9 https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi9 (though nothing pushed there yet, see instead https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi8 https://hub.docker.com/r/redhat/ubi8 for RHEL8 for now, I guess). See also https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/ubi https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/ubi
  - Chmouel 4y ago
    you can get them from catalog.redhat.com i.e: for the rhel/ubi9 images : https://catalog.redhat.com/software/containers/search?q=ubi9&p=1 https://catalog.redhat.com/software/containers/search?q=ubi9... red hat has some sort of partnership with docker to have them available in docker hub, i guess it's just not there yet... https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-brings-red-hat-universal-base-image-docker-hub https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-bring...
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- onei 4y ago
  I think quay.io is run by RedHat, so I'd expect RHEL containers to be there if nowhere else.