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> Yes you do, because otherwise the sex worker reporting the extortion to the police will also be admitting to a crime. So it won't happen. No you don't, you j

> Yes you do, because otherwise the sex worker reporting the extortion to the police will also be admitting to a crime. So it won't happen. No you don't, you just need to make buying sex and pimping illegal, you can do that without punishing the victims, what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women.

verve_rat 4y ago
Not it is not. Plenty of people engage in sex work without being coerced or trafficked.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  The overwhelming majority of prostitutes are sex trafficked women and children who were never given the choice. Legalizing prostitution leads to more trafficking. https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalize...
  - JamesBarney 4y ago
    That doesn't say anything about what percentage of sex workers were sex trafficked. The only stat it gives are what percentage of sex workers were sexually abused prior to entry. The best estimate I've seen for percentage of active sex workers that are currently being trafficked was between 3 and 4 %. https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-in?s=r https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-...
  - rajup 4y ago
    Wrong.
warent 4y ago
> what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women. How involved are you in combatting sex trafficking? I've been involved in this to varying degrees for a few years now, and this is would be new information to me. Sex trafficking and sex work is a Venn diagram with overlap, certainly, but they are definitely not the same. Many women do sex work as an independent decision, choosing it over other choices that they are presented with, and they find fulfillment in it. Trafficked people are, at best, highly vulnerable individuals who feel they don't have any alternatives and are brainwashed by people close to them. More often than that, they are simply abducted and traded as property. Sex trafficking is a recognized form of slavery. Very different from independent sex workers. EDIT: The reason it's important to get this distinction right is because misinformation around it dilutes the seriousness of actual human trafficking. There are people in slavery who need intervention from police and governments. Not middle-class women in Orange County who do private sessions in the basement of the home they own.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  - warent 4y ago
    This account is tied to my real identity. I'm not afraid of trying to openly discuss the nuances of these very complicated and painful topics because together through rational discourse we can make the world a better place. From an anonymous "throwaway" account, you completely disregard what I'm saying, you trivialize my passion in this topic, and you go so far as directly accusing me of normalizing sex trafficking. This discussion is over.
    - throw_m239339 4y ago
  - mbg721 4y ago
    I think it's worth making the distinction between highly coerced women and children vs. "let's get our kink on" women who make a buck on the side.
    - bckr 4y ago
      > I think it's worth making the distinction between highly coerced women and children vs. "let's get our kink on" women who make a buck on the side Ya think? But there's always one person who twists the narrative, claiming to have the absolute moral high ground. People willing to actually think about the subject are baited into giving them the benefit of the doubt, thinking they must just be ignorant, because after all, human trafficking is horrifying. But it's just another blood libel: Accuse your opponents of supporting the most heinous thing you can imagine, so that you can justify annihilating them. In this case, the position truly being supported is that women cannot sell sex. Vehemently, violently rearranging the rhetorical space to equate selling sex with sexual slavery is just a method of magically transforming you into an evil that must be destroyed. And you will go along with it willingly, looking ever more pathetic as you try to argue that, in fact, you're on the side of the good--the bloodthirsty opponent becomes ever more and more convinced that you are completely evil. And not only evil, but disgustingly, twistedly evil. It's almost sad, how evil you are. Because you're so confused. You've been so confused by evil that you think you're good. At that point, it becomes an act of mercy to annihilate you. Think this is over the top? I don't. I don't think we should engage at all with these conversations. Downvoting is good. Flagging is better.

verve_rat 4y ago

Not it is not. Plenty of people engage in sex work without being coerced or trafficked.

throw_m239339 4y ago
The overwhelming majority of prostitutes are sex trafficked women and children who were never given the choice. Legalizing prostitution leads to more trafficking. https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalize...
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  That doesn't say anything about what percentage of sex workers were sex trafficked. The only stat it gives are what percentage of sex workers were sexually abused prior to entry. The best estimate I've seen for percentage of active sex workers that are currently being trafficked was between 3 and 4 %. https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-in?s=r https://aella.substack.com/p/what-percentage-of-sex-workers-...
- rajup 4y ago
  Wrong.

warent 4y ago

> what you call "sex workers" is a euphemism for sex trafficked women. How involved are you in combatting sex trafficking? I've been involved in this to varying degrees for a few years now, and this is would be new information to me. Sex trafficking and sex work is a Venn diagram with overlap, certainly, but they are definitely not the same. Many women do sex work as an independent decision, choosing it over other choices that they are presented with, and they find fulfillment in it. Trafficked people are, at best, highly vulnerable individuals who feel they don't have any alternatives and are brainwashed by people close to them. More often than that, they are simply abducted and traded as property. Sex trafficking is a recognized form of slavery. Very different from independent sex workers. EDIT: The reason it's important to get this distinction right is because misinformation around it dilutes the seriousness of actual human trafficking. There are people in slavery who need intervention from police and governments. Not middle-class women in Orange County who do private sessions in the basement of the home they own.

throw_m239339 4y ago
- warent 4y ago
  This account is tied to my real identity. I'm not afraid of trying to openly discuss the nuances of these very complicated and painful topics because together through rational discourse we can make the world a better place. From an anonymous "throwaway" account, you completely disregard what I'm saying, you trivialize my passion in this topic, and you go so far as directly accusing me of normalizing sex trafficking. This discussion is over.
  - throw_m239339 4y ago
- mbg721 4y ago
  I think it's worth making the distinction between highly coerced women and children vs. "let's get our kink on" women who make a buck on the side.
  - bckr 4y ago
    > I think it's worth making the distinction between highly coerced women and children vs. "let's get our kink on" women who make a buck on the side Ya think? But there's always one person who twists the narrative, claiming to have the absolute moral high ground. People willing to actually think about the subject are baited into giving them the benefit of the doubt, thinking they must just be ignorant, because after all, human trafficking is horrifying. But it's just another blood libel: Accuse your opponents of supporting the most heinous thing you can imagine, so that you can justify annihilating them. In this case, the position truly being supported is that women cannot sell sex. Vehemently, violently rearranging the rhetorical space to equate selling sex with sexual slavery is just a method of magically transforming you into an evil that must be destroyed. And you will go along with it willingly, looking ever more pathetic as you try to argue that, in fact, you're on the side of the good--the bloodthirsty opponent becomes ever more and more convinced that you are completely evil. And not only evil, but disgustingly, twistedly evil. It's almost sad, how evil you are. Because you're so confused. You've been so confused by evil that you think you're good. At that point, it becomes an act of mercy to annihilate you. Think this is over the top? I don't. I don't think we should engage at all with these conversations. Downvoting is good. Flagging is better.